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Disassembling Bachmann Mk1 coach

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#1 ·
I am trying to take a coach to pieces to add passengers / lighting. Found a useful article at http://trains-of.blogspot.com/2008/02/bach...ssembly_20.html so managed to remove bogies and undo three screws. The centre of each coach is now loose(ish) but both ends are stuck firm ... perhaps due to some unseen clip somewhere.

Any advice would be gratefully received.

Drew
 
#2 ·
The body shell clips onto the chassis, easing the sides outwards will release. (No screws to undo as far as I can recall.) Small slips of card to prevent clips re-engaging are a useful aid. Check the coach ends too for the wire representations of the handrail/filler pipe, and release one end of any that bridge body and chassis.
 
#4 · (Edited by Moderator)
My error, apologies; it has been a long time since I took one apart, had to look in my notes.

The vehicle ends stay with the chassis. Usually the wires come out of the ends relatively easily, and with less chance of leaving visible evidence than freeing from the roof. The sides are rather tight at the ends, and sometimes there is a just a little adhesive bonding that has to be broken out. The three screws on the underside hold the interior seating and partitions moulding in place, slacking these helps with body removal. Getting at the two at either end requires the bogies to be removed, and the close coupling mechanism to be moved aside - avoid unhooking the springs. When you have the body off you will discover that the sides clip (firmly) onto the roof also.
 
#5 ·
Success! Many thanks for the further advice. After a good deal of gentle persuasion, the various pieces came apart. There was some adhesive bonding that needed breaking. In fact, that was the most difficult part. Next time, I think I will concentrate more on the roof which comes off (relatively) easily and then the interior can be wriggled out.

Now I need to concentrate of detailing the inside. Curtains for First Class, I would think!!

Many thanks again.

Drew.
 
#7 ·
I have never found it that easy, and would be rather concerned about doing visible damage to the well finished body sides or roof gutter, which is why I go for removing the sides and roof as a single piece. Once this is off the chassis, then it is then much easier to unclip the sides from the roof. (Small scuffs on the chassis side members from releasing the body sides are very easy to conceal, as this area is always pretty weathered on my coaches, the carriage cleaning plant didn't clean the chassis solebars to any extent.) But there are others out there who do it this way, so it clearly isn't impossible.
 
#8 ·
In the end, with useful advice from several people, I used my nail to ease the sides from the base, and stuck in strips of an old credit card to keep the gap open.

Then I went to work on the ends with a small screwdriver and fingernail. With a lot of wiggling and sweating, it all eventually came apart without damage to the fine detail. Beginner's luck, perhaps
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#10 · (Edited by Moderator)
Could it be the mfrs are
But I agree, making them more than normally difficult is just asking for complaints from modellers, especially when the interior is pretty basic !

But the same goes for DCC-Ready loco bodies - sometimes they can be an absoute pain to remove & the space left for a chip can be ludicrous ...

That reminds me ... I need to have another look @ a tender-based chip I fitted ... not happy with the way it went back together, as one of the wheel pairs seems to miss the track quite often due to said space limits !

Mike
 
#11 ·
On the positive side, in 50-some purchases of Bachmann mk 1 corridor coaches, I haven't had a single assembly fault or subsequent damage in transit causing any component to be detached or displaced, so the robustness is good. The very solid assembly with positive engagement of the lower body side the full length of the chassis, means that the curvatures that can be seen in bodysides and solebars of Bachmann's earlier design mk1 non-corridor and Thompson vehicles are eliminated. These earlier designs have a more easily removed clip fitting bodywork; but if the trade is slightly more difficult disassembly for significantly better appearance, that's a trade I will happily make. Moreover the disassembly is less likely to leave visible evidence than with the earlier design, and they snap back very positively 'all-square', essentially looking exactly as new in terms of fit and finish. Net, I perceive that as progress.

The manufacturers are hardly likely to worry about what we do to them post sale. The prospect of our ruining them doing modifications must fill their hearts with glee, potentially more sales!
 
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QUOTE (34C @ 24 Nov 2010, 09:47) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>The manufacturers are hardly likely to worry about what we do to them post sale. The prospect of our ruining them doing modifications must fill their hearts with glee, potentially more sales!
Ah, but if the carriage 'pops off' the chassis at a glance, then they'll have a lot of returns, complaints, and no re-sales !
 
#13 ·
Thanks for all the tips everyone! I have successfully taken one coach apart and put some people inside. I hope I can put it back together now.
The only downside I suppose is that it will look a bit strange when the coach is in the carriage sidings! Mind you, I have heard stories about people falling asleep and then waking up in a carriage siding.
 
#15 ·
The dismantling gripe also rings true with locomotives. A lot of manufacturers locos are damaged when disassembling to fit chips. Surely a chip could be made to plug into the bottom of belly tanks of diesels?
Anyway, regarding Bachmann Mk1 coaches, is it only me that is displeased with them? The early batches (A / B suffix) were great ... no problems and a scale height of 49.5mm. Later ones (C / D etc) were 1mm too high and very noticeable to my eyes. They look too high against a loco and you get a staggered effect if you mix them up. The worst problem (which only seems to effect my E suffix coaches /all liveries) is that they are curved upwards / humped like a camel and when close coupled the corridors touch at the top but not at the bottom. A steel ruler / straight edge confirms that the centre of the coaches are bent upwards at the centre by nearly 2mm but is very noticeable to the naked eye anyway.
I did buy all my models from one shop, but would indicate a bad batch rather than the shops storage, as the other (older suffix) coaches bought at same time seem to be unaffected.
 
#16 ·
All my C/D/E versions are SK, BSK, SO; the common types required in numbers. No problems with any of these; height match uniform, one each of the SO and SK 'E' versions as straight as a ruler. I would return the curved items.

The centre tanks area is very popular for speakers. Probably the best solution and one already found in HO is a lift out panel following a panel line present in the prototype, so a decoder may simply be plugged in in the PCB on top of the chasis block. The advertising for Murphy's model's next production to be manufactured by Kader listed this feature. Hopefully Bachmann will pick up on this, they make a lot of play of being able to adopt best practise within the Kader group.
 
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QUOTE (SGP @ 11 Dec 2010, 20:52) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Anyway, regarding Bachmann Mk1 coaches, is it only me that is displeased with them? The early batches (A / B suffix) were great ... no problems and a scale height of 49.5mm. Later ones (C / D etc) were 1mm too high and very noticeable to my eyes. They look too high against a loco and you get a staggered effect if you mix them up. The worst problem (which only seems to effect my E suffix coaches /all liveries) is that they are curved upwards / humped like a camel and when close coupled the corridors touch at the top but not at the bottom. A steel ruler / straight edge confirms that the centre of the coaches are bent upwards at the centre by nearly 2mm but is very noticeable to the naked eye anyway.
I did buy all my models from one shop, but would indicate a bad batch rather than the shops storage, as the other (older suffix) coaches bought at same time seem to be unaffected.

Sounds like you either have 110% eyesight or are a rivet counter to spot 1mm difference in height between the early and late Bachmann Mk1 coaches.
Just how many coaches have you seen in real life that are 100% level? Not many I'd guess.

I've got plenty of Bachmann Mk1's and haven't noticed any difference in height when coupled together.
Maybe your coaches have weak bogie springs or badly worn wheel sets, in which case they should be taken OOS until the fault is rectified.

K9-70
 
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QUOTE (Makemineadouble @ 13 Dec 2010, 10:42) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>While you have your Mk1's in pieces remove the weights - they run much better without them. Your loco's will be able to pull realistic train lengths without strain.

That's an interesting thought. My wagons do better with weights but I guess you're suggesting that the coaches are heavy enough without them. Mind you, my realistic train length is about three coaches - local suburban - so it's not really a problem


regards

Drew
 
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I've dis-assembled many Bachmann Mk.I coaches just for their interiors, no problems at with any. Recently I decided to fit etched brass sides in place of the plastic sides. The Bachmann Mk.I model is a very good design to my mind and a cute manufacturer could make ready to fold-and-fit etched sides with no glue necessary.
 

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#21 ·
QUOTE Sounds like you either have 110% eyesight or are a rivet counter to spot 1mm difference in height between the early and late Bachmann Mk1 coaches.

I'm merely pointing out a problem. 1mm is a lot when they are in a glass case on display and very noticeable ... buffers not lining up was noticed within 5 minutes of a friend looking at the cabinet. If they make something right to start with, why change it to make it wrong? Anyway, my main concern was with the arched back coaches and was wondering if anyone else had had the problem rather than someone taking me to task over it. The bent coaches have been sent back and the coaches that are too high are being put right. If you think I am over fussy, why does EM gauge exist?
 
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