 Coach Identification Please., No brand name on coach. |
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 5 Mar 2013, 12:41
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Guard  Group: Members Posts: 73 Joined: 7-February 10 From: Suffolk UK Member No.: 7,408  |
Purchased 3 of these coaches at a toy fair on Sunday.
Can anyone identify which make please,as they have no brand name on them? I would like to get a spare bogie frame for this one,as on of the plastic pegs as broken-which holds the bogie on to the coach. I have placed the coupling in the photo,as this might help to indentify it. Any help much appreciated. Thanks Mickey B  IMG_3247 by Chapel House Model Railway |
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5 Mar 2013, 13:10
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 Hiding in the tender Group: Members Posts: 596 Joined: 26-February 12 From: Wellington, New Zealand Member No.: 12,198 |
I would say early bachmann based on the coupling. Some more pictures might help
JP --------------------  - Jack Modelling the Southern, from the Southern Hemisphere! My 7mm Workbench 'Imbecile!' I wasn't sure if he meant me or Mr Bulleid, But thought it impolite to ask. |
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5 Mar 2013, 13:30
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 Chief mouser  
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It certainly looks like a close coupling mechanism, and the flush glazing indicates a fairly recent model. Based on that I'd go with Bachmann as well. Interestingly it has no running numbers or lettering.
Regards -------------------- Quickly, bring me a beaker of wine, so that I may wet my mind and say something clever
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5 Mar 2013, 14:41
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Fireman Group: Members Posts: 261 Joined: 14-May 08 Member No.: 3,012 |
The close coupling mechanism looks like Bachmann but the rest doesn't. The bogies look like Mainline, especially the clip-fitting. I've had a look at your linked Flickr pic on max size - some pics of the ends and underframe might clinch it.
It could be several different Mk1s cobbled together of course... |
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5 Mar 2013, 15:10
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Guard Group: Members Posts: 73 Joined: 7-February 10 From: Suffolk UK Member No.: 7,408 |
[quote name='7113' date='5 Mar 2013, 13:30' post='298226']
It certainly looks like a close coupling mechanism, and the flush glazing indicates a fairly recent model. Based on that I'd go with Bachmann as well. Interestingly it has no running numbers or lettering. I purchased 3 of these-all the same-no running numbers or branding on any of them. The wheels are metal solid disc. Some more photos below. Thanks Mickey B  IMG_3255 by Chapel House Model Railway  IMG_3256 by Chapel House Model Railway  IMG_3257 by Chapel House Model Railway |
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5 Mar 2013, 15:27
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Fireman Group: Members Posts: 261 Joined: 14-May 08 Member No.: 3,012 |
Thanks, bogies definitely look like Mainline. Anybody got a Replica Mk 1 to compare with ? That's the only combination of ex-Mainline, proto-Bachmann and "looks like a MK1 but not a Bachmann one" body I can think of.
It's not a Mainline body, the windows are the right height ! |
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5 Mar 2013, 18:53
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 Engine Driver Group: Members Posts: 574 Joined: 24-August 12 From: Boston UK Member No.: 13,086 |
If I had to guess, i would say a early bachmann body, on an unknown chassis (replica railways?) the coupling cam looks like a Keen systems one, with a tenson lock on it?
Sean -------------------- Sean Stevens
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5 Mar 2013, 20:19
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 Engine Driver  
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It's a early Bachmann SK (corridor second) with the plug in bogies, instead of the screw in bogies..
You should be able to get spare Bachmann BR1 bogies from any good model railway shop. The possible reason for no numbers could be that the previous owner has removed them for possible renumbering. |
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5 Mar 2013, 23:30
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Chief Penguin 
Group: Moderators Posts: 12,932 Joined: 18-May 06 From: UK Margate Kent Member No.: 702 |
Not too sure about the body/chassis but the close coupling mechanism is definatly not a retro-fit item.
-------------------- Take care & enjoy life.
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6 Mar 2013, 05:40
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Fireman Group: Members Posts: 140 Joined: 2-June 07 Member No.: 1,822 |
Fascinating. It definitely looks like a Kader product, apparently an intermediate stage of development between the Mk I's that were distributed by Replica Railways (couplers on bogies, water pipes moulded on ends) and those introduced by their Bachmann UK subsidiary (close-coupling arms with butterfly slots in floor, separate wire water pipes). Perhaps they were from a batch originally intended for the UK market but subsequently deemed too basic and thus released "anonymously"?
Currently-available Bachmann B1 bogies would be unsuitable since the OP wants a bogie with a split-peg attachment, not a screw-in-hole. Spare bogies from Replica (RA04) might do the job, but you'd have to cut the V-shaped notch in the outer end to clear the vertical part of the close-coupling arm. -------------------- Humphrey
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6 Mar 2013, 06:50
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 Foreman Group: Members Posts: 990 Joined: 7-February 08 Member No.: 2,453 |
My first impression was Mainline but the coach body shown does not have the little holes near the solebars for the body mounting lugs.
The bogie mounting style is similar to the Mainline and early Replica type. |
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6 Mar 2013, 10:12
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Guard Group: Members Posts: 73 Joined: 7-February 10 From: Suffolk UK Member No.: 7,408 |
Hi guys,
Many thanks for all your replies. Here is another photo showing some other details of these coaches. The bodies are held on to the underframes with three small black screws, one in the middle and one at each end under the bogies. Mickey B  IMG_3260 by Chapel House Model Railway |
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6 Mar 2013, 15:14
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Hiding in the tender Group: Members Posts: 596 Joined: 26-February 12 From: Wellington, New Zealand Member No.: 12,198 |
QUOTE (K9-70 @ 6 Mar 2013, 09:19)  It's a early Bachmann SK (corridor second) with the plug in bogies, instead of the screw in bogies.. You should be able to get spare Bachmann BR1 bogies from any good model railway shop. The possible reason for no numbers could be that the previous owner has removed them for possible renumbering. ^ perhaps over looked, but the answer to your question, maybe? -------------------- - Jack Modelling the Southern, from the Southern Hemisphere! My 7mm Workbench 'Imbecile!' I wasn't sure if he meant me or Mr Bulleid, But thought it impolite to ask. |
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6 Mar 2013, 15:17
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 Passed Fireman Group: Members Posts: 324 Joined: 25-May 05 From: Sunny Swansea Member No.: 32 |
Its the coach that was given away with that partwork that started last year and then ceased. I know I have a couple. There was debate at the time as to who the manufacturer was and no conclusion was reached. I do recall vaguely that one of the major manufacturers denied any involvement. Old tarted up Lima ?
-------------------- Chris Morgan
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