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ME 26-06
post 31 Oct 2009, 10:06
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A friend has asked me - on another forum - about my opinion on the different 103s available today.

Not sure if this is of interest here as well, but I felt like copy and paste today... please do note that these are merely my personal opinions on the engines in question. I am not perfect, my post is subjective, and therefore, feel free to discuss and critisize what I wrote! smile.gif

Question was, honest enough, which 103 model I´d prefer - Fleischmann, Märklin, or Roco. Gee, that´s a tough one... innocent.gif

Fleischmann: the "worst" of the three. Buffers are way too high and too far apart to allow for the 1970s Fleischmann style coupler clearance. Also, it seems a tad too big. Big old round Fleischmann motor (no flywheel iirc) powers one bogie. My advice: avoid, even if it comes for dirt cheap.


Old version without NEM pockets

Märklin/Trix: a bit so-so. As the engine is based on the 1960s model of the E03, it´s about 5 millimeters too short. Some say, it is not noticeable, I say it is. The newer ones have a metal bodyshell, the older ones are made of plastic. On some of the plastic shells, the paint has a nasty tendency to just chip off. One bogie is powered, either by a three-, five-poler, or a C-Sinus motor. If you are into DC, you need to get the Trix or (if you´d buy an engine with a plastic shell, the older HAMO brand) version, which is rather hard to find. Unlike Roco, they did get the front lamps right, but some of the gears in the bogies are visible, and until very recently, they have visible screws on the roof. Both the E03 and the 103.1 are available, yet at imho extremely steep prices. Many models have sound though, and on one E03 "Club Model", you can digitally raise and lower the electric pickup. My advice: if it is a metal bodyshell you want, the issues don´t bother you, and you got the money Märklin is asking at hand: buy it.


Märklin´s new E03; a short test is available on www.dermodellbahnchecker.de

Roco: my personal favorite, albeit they goofed up the headlights a bit (the aerodynamic shape on the side of the lamps is a bit off). Many versions available, especially "one-offs" like the Lufthansa, the 103 109 with the silver on the side of the engine, the Roco special livery (go figure biggrin.gif ) and the colorful "Tourism" engine. Only manufacturer to make the E03, 103.1 short, and 103.1 long version. Five-pole motor drives both bogies, DCC socket on board. Roco is renowned for making extremely intricate overhead pickups, and the 103 is no exception. As usual with Roco, it´s a plastic shell on a metal cast frame - but woe the older versions! They are crap, compared to the newer ones. You can tell it´s a new, revised version (dating from ca. 1998 to now) if the shell is a single piece of plastic. The old ones have the lower, red portion cast in metal, and you don´t want to buy one of these (If you´re interested, I can find the catalogue numbers for you). Personally, I´d go for Roco, as they have the greatest variety and make a very decent model with little issues. Pricing is, well, a problem. They have a bread-and-butter TEE short version on sale right now for EUR 139,--, but the recent long version would cost EUR 200,--. :mad: Good second hand models should be around EUR 100-120.



All of these have light bulbs rather than LEDS, and NEM coupler pockets (save for the brand new Märklin E03).

Lima: the E03 is quite good, and Hornby´s version would be ok as well, not as good as Roco, but still pretty good (somehow like the Astra and the Golf biggrin.gif ); the front is a wee bit off as can be seen by the front windows´ shape, but it´s not that bad though. They have a five-poler driving both bogies, a nasty blue LED lighting that begs for a bit of translucent orange paint, and - like Roco - very rich detail. The 103.1 by Lima is not as good, though. I´d steer clear of that one.

Since we have our share of, errmmmm, enthusiasts here as well, here´s a list compiled by a modeller named Helmut Kern. On his web site, you can find lists of all Roco engines (and Märklin.. and Fleischmann... and Liliput...) ever made, sorted by engine classes, and it´s pretty complete, too. OK, here´s his list of 103s:

BR 103, E03
Art.Nr. ZeitraumStromDecoderEpocheBetr.NrBetreiberFarbe, Sonstiges
4146 1977 DC IV 103 DB weinrot/beige
14146 1977 AC IV 103 DB weinrot/beige
4146A 1981-1984 DC IV 103 240-8 DB weinrot/beige
43442 (1) 1984 DC IV 103 240-8 DB weinrot/beige
43442 (2) 1986 DC IV 103 230-9 DB weinrot/beige,"150 Jahre dt.Eisenbahn"
43442 (3) 1986-1987 DC IV 103 230-9 DB weinrot/beige
43442 (4) 1987 DC IV 103 120-2 DB weinrot/beige
43442 (5) 1988 DC IV 103 222-6 DB weinrot/beige
43442 (6) 1989-1990 DC IV 103 224-2 DB weinrot/beige
43442 (7) 1991 DC IV 103 230-9 DB weinrot/beige
43619 1991-1994 DC V 103 231-7 DB orientrot
43442 (8) 1992 DC IV 103 229-1 DB weinrot/beige
43442 (9) 1993-1994 DC IV 103 173-1 DB weinrot/beige, langer Führerstand
43667 1994 DC IV 103 237-4 DB weinrot/beige, langer Führerstand
43442 (10) 1995 DC IV 103 237-4 DB weinrot/beige, langer Führerstand
43442 (11) 1996 DC IV 103 217-6 DB weinrot/beige, langer Führerstand
53449 1997-2001 DC V 103 231-7 DB AG orientrot, "HOBBY LINE"

43839 (1) 1997 DC Dig.8pol. IV 103 181-4 DB weinrot/beige
43849 (1) 1997 AC Dig.8pol. IV 103 181-4 DB weinrot/beige
43839 (2) 1998 DC Dig.8pol. IV 103 164-0 DB weinrot/beige
43839 (3) 1998-2001 DC Dig.8pol. IV 103 140-0 DB weinrot/beige
43849 (2) 1998-2000 AC Dig.8pol. IV 103 140-0 DB weinrot/beige
43838 2000-2001 DC Dig.8pol. IV 103 109-5 DB weinrot/beige
43847 2000-2001 AC LMD IV 103 109-5 DB weinrot/beige
63741 2001-2003 DC Dig.8pol. V 103 233-3 DB AG verkehrsrot, mit Plakat "Roco"
69741 2001 AC MD V 103 233-3 DB AG verkehrsrot, mit Plakat "Roco"
63742 2002-2004- DC Dig.8pol. V 103 132-7 DB AG weinrot/beige
69742 2002-2004- AC LMD V 103 132-7 DB AG weinrot/beige
63743 2003-2004- DC Dig.8pol. V 103 172-3 DB AG orientrot
69743 2003-2004- AC LMD V 103 172-3 DB AG orientrot
63740 2003 DC Dig.8pol. V 103 220-0 DB AG blau/gelb/grün "DB-Touristik"
69740 2003 AC LMD V 103 220-0 DB AG blau/gelb/grün "DB-Touristik"
63739 2005 DC Dig.8pol. V 103 101-2 DB weiß/gelb, "Lufthansa", Roco-Club
69739 2005 AC LMD V 103 101-2 DB weiß/gelb, "Lufthansa", Roco-Club


Vorserienloks BR 103, E03.0
Art.Nr. ZeitraumStromDecoderEpocheBetr.NrBetreiberFarbe, Sonstiges
63745 2003 DC Dig.8pol. III E03 002 DB weinrot/beige
69745 2003-2004 AC LMD III E03 002 DB weinrot/beige
63746 2003 DC Dig.8pol. IV-V 750 001-0 DB weinrot/beige, ehemalige Vorserienlok "E03 001"
69746 2003 AC LMD IV-V 750 001-0 DB weinrot/beige, ehemalige Vorserienlok "E03 001"
63747 2005 DC Dig.8pol. V E03 001 DB weinrot/beige, Museumsedition, mini-CD
69747 2005 AC LMD V E03 001 DB weinrot/beige, Museumsedition, mini-CD

The ones in red would be the ones to avoid. The list stops in 2005, and a few have been made after that date.


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Interesting - the 103 & it's variants are one of my favourite OHE locomotives. I have a few FM ones including a sound equipped one & a "Lufthansa" liveried one.

Strangely, the only Roco one I ever had was an indifferent runner - it was an early one though.
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post 31 Oct 2009, 21:34
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Thanks for that run down on what 103. Very informative. Also a reminder that I still need to get one!

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Didn't Lima do one in the "Touristik" livery, I don't know much about it but it's probably best avoided.

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QUOTE (BRITHO @ 2 Nov 2009, 16:00) *
Didn't Lima do one in the "Touristik" livery, I don't know much about it but it's probably best avoided.

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Yes they did - IIRC the paint job was quite good (if you like that sort of thing of course).
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QUOTE (BRITHO @ 2 Nov 2009, 17:00) *
Didn't Lima do one in the "Touristik" livery, I don't know much about it but it's probably best avoided.

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It wasn´t too bad overall, but Lima used their short cab version - the real thing has a long cab (last series engine).

So, while it looks good at first sight... size does matter in this case. unsure.gif


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Well Tom, thought you might consider this to buy also wink.gif

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewIt...em=320459603896

Erkut rolleyes.gif


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nice detail, Erkut..but postage is a bit steep?


note the Sommerfeldt pantographs??
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.......and they accept Pay-Pal lmfao.gif lmfao.gif

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they don't mention the scale, which is inconvenient..and may be the reason why no-one has yet placed a bid?


I think it's a fake.......it has a steering wheel
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QUOTE (alastairq @ 12 Dec 2009, 10:34) *
I think it's a fake.......it has a steering wheel


.........and no engine. biggrin.gif biggrin.gif




......mind you, enough space for a great layout to built and run those 103' on. biggrin.gif

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You could get a nice "N" gauge layout in there !

SL in N.Gauge ?
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QUOTE
.........and no engine.



not only room for a decent layout...but I'm pretty sure Bullant do an underfloor power truck that might fit.....??? smile.gif
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It's sad what people are prepared to flog these days. When such excellent scale models exist why would anyone want half of the real thing for the price of a house? Surely it should be in a museum or cut up for scrap? Perhaps the museum is closing? I'll ask what the postage will be to the UK.


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QUOTE (ebaykal @ 12 Dec 2009, 10:59) *
.........and no engine. biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

Erkut


But traction motors ?

You could always mount several hundred car batteries under the layout LOL !
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