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Julian2011
post 19 Dec 2012, 17:13
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I got to thinking about how long Anyplace to Anywhere you like might take…… That didn’t quite fit into the original intention …. To get a layout which could be made in a, relatively, short time … a layout which can be used to learn an few things. .... unsure.gif

The concept of the Anyplace to Anywhere layout is simply a OO railway for my 7 yr old girl to play trains and learn a few things as she does, hence the name. I have collected a number of trains that she and the family have been on and other bits so she can role play and also worked out some card based games to be played out on the layout, including an Inglenook Sidings type. .... cool.gif

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It also has to be capable of quick setting up and packing away, therefore not joining up loads of rails from a box every time .... Nothing has changed …. BUT …. She is quite a time away from using it because of the time it takes to build it and I would rather get her involved in, at least, part of the intended plot rather more quickly …. So …. ohmy.gif


I remembered the size Ingleton Sidings [ an Inglenook variation ] I had seen at the Bentley show in Melksham … she likes a puzzle or two, so I thought a quick interim shelf Shunting Puzzle [ Shunting on a shelf .... pleeease! ] might be good.

I also need it to be very light .... so construction was relevant too …. Enter the Mosquito and Vampire … made from Ply … add in model a/c foam / ply [ or Balsa ] sandwiches …. There is an idea forming….. Here is the start ........ wacko.gif


DSCN2364 by JulianR 2013, on Flickr


…. 40mm insulation foam in need of stripping down naked with enough Ply to cut 2 x bits of bread for the sandwich ... unsure.gif … then a layout plan on Anyrail …. Measure the windowsill … gives me 48” x 8” …. Look in the spare rails pile and find I have a curved set of Electrofrog and a short Electrofrog Y …… pull them onto the plan and mess around with lengths to make sure I have room for 5 x trucks on the long siding and space for 3 x trucks on the other 2 sidings.

The Plan


Shunt Plan by JulianR 2013, on Flickr

In fact there is a slight change ..... already ..... rolleyes.gif .... as you can see from the plan, the tracks run through the Goods Shed on the side away from the goods doorway, with the loading platform next to the door .... the goods shed is now the Great Northern Skale Regis one ..... it has the rails through the shed next to the open door .... so little fingers can reach through to load the trucks with appropriate items ....... lmfao.gif


Those with sufficient remaining levels of eyesight [ or suitably recent assistance from the Optician ] rolleyes.gif and good levels of observation will, of course. have noticed thet there is some pink area and some white area ...... unsure.gif The pink is for the location of the foam .... which leaves the white area, where there is to be no foam ...... question.gif .... this space in the foam will house the electrickery and a Frog Juicer for each set of points .... dribble.gif .... I could have run the Droppers through the whole board to the underside, as it is only a total of 48mm thick all told .. but .... that recess should keep it all tucked up out of the way ..... cool.gif

So far the sandwich has been made, rails cut, Droppers soldered, holes for the Droppers drilled, most of the 2 x types of Underlay glued to the Sleepers ....... huh.gif then I ran out of one type of Underlay and had to order some more ....... yikes.gif ..... ordered some more .... but ..... can't progress any more yet ........ sad.gif


Anyway .... that's probably as much as anyone can put up with my drivelling on for the moment ....... lmfao.gif lmfao.gif

I would be interested in any [ civilised alien.gif ] comments on what has transpired so far ........... more pictures and information later, if anone would like to see them .. unsure.gif


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Big Dave
post 20 Dec 2012, 00:52
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This sounds good but are you sure she will be the one playing with it,one thing how will you work the points.Is this going to be a proper shunting puzzle,as your sidings look the same length thumbsup2.gif


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post 20 Dec 2012, 07:39
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Ow do BD
Thanks for the comments

Perceptive as ever BD ....... cool.gif .... I might just dabble a bit ......... rolleyes.gif BUT ONLY to show her how .............. ............. honest ..... laugh.gif


Siding selection will be pinkie placed points ...... I want her to have to look at what happens to them each time ....... unsure.gif ..... later I might put a couple of Richards levers and rods ...... to develop the same learning process ...... cool.gif


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Is this going to be a proper shunting puzzle,as your sidings look the same length


They are indeed a bit long for short trucks .... The top one is longer, @ 18", than the other 2 which are 12.5" each ...... .. I am going to leave them that length to begin with ......... so I don't get the Hairy eyed monster jumping out at me and yelling - mad.gif mad.gif "IT'S A STUPID GAME AND JUST WON'T WORK!!!!" mad.gif mad.gif ......... yikes.gif ...... later I shall add some blockages at the far end ..... Brake vans, burnt out van [ fancy making one of them ] ...... to get 1 x 15" and 2 x 9.5" usable sidings ....... obviously the pictures of these won't go in the bag, so they can't get selected for shunting lmfao.gif ....... like the old matchbox computer for winning at Noughts and Crosses .........


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They are indeed a bit long for short trucks .... The top one is longer, @ 18", than the other 2 which are 12.5" each ...... .. I am going to leave them that length to begin with ......... so I don't get the Hairy eyed monster jumping out at me and yelling - mad.gif mad.gif "IT'S A STUPID GAME AND JUST WON'T WORK!!!!" mad.gif mad.gif ......... yikes.gif ...... later I shall add some blockages at the far end ..... Brake vans, burnt out van [ fancy making one of them ] ...... to get 1 x 15" and 2 x 9.5" usable sidings ....... obviously the pictures of these won't go in the bag, so they can't get selected for shunting lmfao.gif ....... like the old matchbox computer for winning at Noughts and Crosses .........


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Yes can see that it may put her off and that is last thing you want ohmy.gif so your be using surface points. My board will have 11 points no sure how I will work them yet.Hope to see more of yours soon. wink.gif


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Hi Julian,

I think its a really good introduction to model railways, & I am sure "everyone" will have lots of fun "playing" with it, assuming they can get the controls off you LOL !!!!!

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post 20 Dec 2012, 13:26
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Thank you for the comments .....

I have a question ...... I have put droppers through the top bread, on the Sandwich ... clap.gif .... soldering not my strong point ...... having the blistered hands replaced by prosf .. prosstel ... new ones later ...... thumbsup2.gif

Plan ... am using Choc Bar Connectors and have checked that I can get 2 x Droppers / Bus wires, twisted together, in each side of a single Terminal, easy .. biggrin.gif ... that is quite suitable for the first 2 Dropper sets and the Bus continuation wires .....


DSCN2366 by JulianR 2013, on Flickr

the Bus [ not shown on picture ] enters the underboard space, from the Controller, through the hole on the foam in the top left corner of the trough, where there are also the first 2 x Dropper sets ..... the Bus wires will then have to continue across the Space to the 4 x pairs of Droppers in the right hand part of the Space .... so far so good .....

these wires and the pair for a Frog Juicer .... making 6 x connections +ve and same number -ve, i.e. totalling 3 x paired wires each .... clap.gif .... I thought it might be tidier to connect the -ve wire pairs along one side of a block of 3 x choc block terminals and another similar block for the +ve ones ..... idea being to cut copper links, shaped like staples, for the connectors down the side of the Block - opposite to the Droppers side .... so there's the plan ....

Now the question .... I tried to get a short bit of Domestic Cable [ 1.5 or 2.5mm ] from M*****s, as the other outlets here abouts , only sell 20+ mtr lots of it .... it is shown on their wire selection board BUT they don't have any in stock ... mad.gif ... ended up with roll of 1.25 mm varnished copper wire .... any ideas [ non-offensive ] about how best to remove the varnish to get a good connection between the copper staples and the choc bar terminal screws would be most welcome .... question.gif

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post 20 Dec 2012, 15:37
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1.2 mm I would just As the wire is I would scrape it with a knife to remove the varnish


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I used varnished wire when I was a teenager making rudimentary radios with ex-RAF valves, etc. If I remember right, 50 turns of that wire on a toilet roll cardboard tube was needed for the light programme or home service (what is now radios 2 and 4 from the BBC.).

I found that rubbing it with emery paper wrapped around it got the varnish off in a few seconds. That wire might be a bit thin for bus wires on a larger layout but you might get away with it on a small one like yours.

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Julian - you CAN get good at soldering! it's really quite easy.
I suggest a Christmas project to read up DCC Concepts pages on soldering, get some proper solder (not the lead free stuff) and some good flux.
Clean up the faces to be soldered (I use wire wool) apply flux to each, apply a touch of solder to each via the iron then offer the two up together, touch again with the iron and bingo!

Last Christmas I taught four grandchildren soldering and they were elated: the youngest being a 7 year old girl.

Age nine, I got taught by an ex RAF Guinea Pig called Vic who built the most amazing little 00 gauge LT&S 4-4-2 tanks from scratch, despite having scarcely any fingers.

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I agree you can use sand paper the thing you do not wont is to strip off to much varnish other wise you could run into problems with shorts if the wires come together.

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Ow do all,

biggrin.gif .... droppers all connected as is Dual Frog Juicer ..... wink.gif will it all work .... question.gif ........ ......... ........ got to go and make food for little Driver and M-in-Law ..... wacko.gif .. unsure.gif


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What is you thinking behind using ?.......................
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I tried to get a short bit of Domestic Cable [ 1.5 or 2.5mm ]


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Air hair lair dt [ Chapter 11 - N-Army Orrficer talk ]

Ow do the rest,

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What is you thinking behind using ?.......................


Thought it might be better to input the 6 x Droppers / Juicy Feed along one side of the Choc Block, to fit in the underboard space .... Toadstool in there wacko.gif .... less tight curves in the Flex, so less pressure on the joins at the other ends ... unsure.gif .. so ran Copper connections along the one edge ..... and the 3 x pairs of Droppers along the other side .......

Same for the red ones .....

would have been easy with a bit of Domestic Cable but M*****s didn't have any .... didn't want 20mtrs ..... so got the 1.25 mm Varnish Clad Copper instead ......



Image169 by JulianR 2013, on Flickr


Should add that lengths are only for checking circuits and staying through the holes when track elevated slightly for applying sticky to fix the track ... will all be shortened when track stuck down ..... cool.gif



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QUOTE (Julian2011 @ 22 Dec 2012, 11:12) *
would have been easy with a bit of Domestic Cable but M*****s didn't have any .... didn't want 20mtrs ..
I reckon it's 'cos yer al too rich down in Dorset.
In Geordieland we still have little corner DIY shops where the lad sells you just as much as you ask for (in feet mind).

The project's looking canny good though.
Only prob is its a bit late to make up a few as Christmas prezzies for this year - mebbee for next year...?

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little corner DIY shops where the lad sells you just as much as you ask for (in feet mind).


Must be some in Salisbury somewhere ...... difficult to see past the beards, wide brimmed leather hats, grey haired pony-tails, calf length candy-striped trousers and Barb**r coats ... and that's just the women ...... lmfao.gif .... mind you they do run to a better class of yob ........ alien.gif

M*****s claim to sell it by the length ...... but you have to do your own calculation to convert to proper measurements ...... wacko.gif .... then they tell you there is none in stock ....... wacko.gif

[Note aside - it always amused me that school kids have been taught pretend measurements for more than a generation ...... BUT ...... when discussing lengths and volumes most still request a conversion to the real thing, so they can picture it in their minds ..... unsure.gif ........ seems that more important persons can Pontificate all they like but the people will continue to make their own minds up ....... tongue.gif ]

Thanks for the kind words ..... would like to get it done more qquickly but am under the threat of having to clear the workshop Conservatory for fast approaching festivities and a 7 yr old female demander of my time ..... on holiday now ....... yikes.gif

Will see if I can get the thing running later today when all other duties on the list completed ............ ............... .......................... off to the jungle now .....



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