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Doug
Model Rail Forum has a wiki for documenting recurring topics, tips, methods and advice: the Model Rail Wiki

Aimed at beginners and seasoned hobbyists alike, it is there for all to use. Hopefully we can develop it into a resource that can be shared even beyond this forum.

Note: For now, the wiki is not integrated into the forum software - perhaps that may come later (I'll see if and how it can be done - To add and edit pages you will have to first create an account using your MRF name and password (it should come up automatically if you have set your browser to remember passwords)login to the wiki - then once the account is created, login and edit. You do not have to create an account to read, search and browse the wiki (in effect, it works just like Wikipedia).

The Main page (as with any wiki page) is a work in progress. I just put a few sections as an example. If other members have a better idea on layout, lets discuss and we can work on it.

Feel free to take charge of a section and create a basic structure, then add content.

Lets keep it part of the forum: - add links to relevant forum topics.

Note the 'Discussion' tab on a page is not to discuss the subject matter (use the forum for that), but rather to talk about issues relating to the page itself: who is championing it, issues, ideas, plans for the future etc. Use this topic to discuss issues relating to the wiki.

To get to the wiki, there is a link on the menu bar of the forum, just under the logo on the top left of the screen, or click the link below.

https://www.modelrailforum.com/wiki or http://www.modelrailwiki.com

User's guide is here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Contents

Editing help is here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Editing


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7113
I shall endeavour to ensure that anything I add is accurate and factual.

A good idea, more power to your elbow Doug.

Regards
dwb
The wiki software has the look and feel of the one we use at work. I suspect we will need a "Quick Start" guide page on the Wiki for creating content - in the past I have not found the way the help is laid out or expressed particularly helpful or clear.

Here's a Quickstart guide to creating a new page:

Go to the sandbox. Type

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[[New page title]]

Then click "Preview"

When the preview page comes up, the sandbox will show "New page title" in red. Click that and you will be taken to the screen for creating a new page.

It's a simple but to me non-intuitive process and you have to read a lot of help text to work out what to do.

One of the things we do have at work is a category tree. I find this useful for grouping related topics together. It's separate from any other ordering mechanism so it doesn't interfere with article writing. Pages can be put in multiple categories.

To start the category tree off, we need to come up with some kind of skeleton structure for the first two or three levels. Once it's up and running I think it will sort itself out through use.

I've already created a "root category" page but rather than just rush off and create a bunch of categories on my own I thought it would be a good idea to collect some suggestions for the top level first.

To keep the "bickering" to a minimum I think that alternative methods for doing things should be presented with no indication of goodness / order of merit etc. The only requirement should be that the descriptions are accurate. I'm thinking particularly of techniques such as ballasting, point control, point wiring which can generate more heat than light when the different camps take up position to defend their method as "the one true way". Leave people to decide for themselves what suits them.

A question for Doug - What's the policy on off-site links?

I think that's enough to think about for now.

David


Doug
Links? Well I've added a few. I suppose you can give them, but don't just point the visitor to Joe Bloggs' page that has a good point wiring diagram. If you are going to talk about point wiring, do it yourself and use either your own images or images that have the right usage rights for you to re-use.

You can upload images and files. And you don't have to be a Plus+ member to do so wink.gif But image uploading is a multi-step process. You are uploading an image into the database for yourself and others to use.

David, please feel free to work on a category tree. Modify the Main page as you see fit.
Chinahand
So far so good.

I manaed to create my account, log in and even made some small entries. Nothing drastic, just a couple more headings in the 'Before You Start' section. This could turn into a real Modeler's Treasure Trove.
dwb
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Links? Well I've added a few. I suppose you can give them, but don't just point the visitor to Joe Bloggs' page that has a good point wiring diagram.


For suppliers we could provide a link to the Forum's Resources page and maybe our current advertisers as well? A way to get some click through acknowledgement?

<edit>Scrub the resources suggestion - I can't find the page of links to Manufacturers we used to have.</edit>

David
MikeDunn
Doug,

It may be an idea to have an index too, A-Z ? I'd suggest starting this soonest, if you agree, as starting later will be an absolute bear to bring up-to-date ...

The Wiki looks like one I was involved with for an OU course; never liked that tongue.gif Hope I find this better !

Mike
dwb
I've created a "Contents" category and created text to link to it from the main page. At work we have a "Category Tree" thing in the left hand column which we can use to navigate our tree.

I've also created a "Glossary" category. I've not created text to link to it but it does have some entries.

I did all this work by creating an article on how to wire a three way point. You can get to it via the "Recent Changes" link on the left or through Contents / Track / Points / or Contents / Wiring. You will notice that I created "side items" on route, not all of which have been completed yet - so feel free wink.gif

There are sure to be some typos in there, so if someone's bored by the weather, do take a look.

You will also notice that the articles are very OO focussed but that's because it's what I know. We want proven ideas in the Wiki to help people along.

It's stopped raining here, so I fancy a coffee....

David
Brian Considine
Well, I'm probably the only one with negative thoughts - the basic idea of Rays is excellent, but as for these resourses being "elesewhere" I'm not sure at all - too much time to hop from one to the other, certainly until the Wiki page(s) can be incorporated into the forum it seems a bit cumbersome & making the forum look far to fragmented, & once a forum starts to get fragmented it suffers.

Personally, I would have preferred the resourses to stay "on forum" with "volunteers" to look after them.
dwb
Ok. I've completed the set of pages that were spawned by starting from "Wiring a 3 way point". They are tied together by the Contents category and not at all integrated with the narrative that Doug started. I don't see why both approaches cannot be used with crossover via references where appropriate.

I've also added a "not proof read" category for those articles you would like someone to sanity check, in this case the "Wiring a return loop"

Before I go off on another odyssey like today's - very much one thing led to another - what do people think? Have I wasted my time? Is the structure ok? Is the information a load of horse's doings?

Some graphics, especially some animations, would definitely make things a lot clearer but drawing is not my strong point.

David
kiwionrails
I personally think what you've done so far is absolutely excellent, as you may have seen I've expanded on the 'laying Track' part to include the articles you wrote smile.gif

Regards,

Cameron(Kiwionrails)
Long funnel & tiresome
QUOTE (Brian Considine @ 29 Apr 2012, 18:44) *
Well, I'm probably the only one with negative thoughts - the basic idea of Rays is excellent, but as for these resourses being "elesewhere" I'm not sure at all - too much time to hop from one to the other, certainly until the Wiki page(s) can be incorporated into the forum it seems a bit cumbersome & making the forum look far to fragmented, & once a forum starts to get fragmented it suffers.
Personally, I would have preferred the resourses to stay "on forum" with "volunteers" to look after them.

Brian, the way I see the Wiki in relation to the forum is that it is (to use a bit of jargon) "a portal" so that very frequent oft-repeating kinds of request threads can have answers all ready on hand - and these "canned" answers can consolidate and grow as we add to them.

As I see it, the forum will remain a wonderful place to cruise around in enjoying folks doing extraordinary things underground (at Birmingham New Street), building amazing working semaphore signals with the world watching over their shoulder, or just sitting at home wrestling with all those hallucinating Fannit Penguins.

Look at it from the other end of the portal - someone just wanting basic stuff about baseboard construction, readying a drafty garage, or going from DC to DCC can find our love of Penguins and bickering difficult to comprehend at first.

LF&T
dwb
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he way I see the Wiki in relation to the forum is that it is (to use a bit of jargon) "a portal" so that very frequent oft-repeating kinds of request threads can have answers all ready on hand - and these "canned" answers can consolidate and grow as we add to them.


Same here. It's a way of distilling all the great ideas and methods that get mentioned in threads which then sink into the sediment of all the other stuff we talk about. As I wrote in the introduction to one of the pages - the Wiki is not the place to discuss the relative merits of various methods / items, that's what the Forum is for. Perhaps we should have a section in appropriate pages which link back to good discussions which have been had on various matters?

The appealing thing for me is the ability to cross reference various terms. That way we can concentrate on the particular item at hand but have other detail just a click away.

David
dwb
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I've expanded on the 'laying Track' part to include the articles you wrote


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David
dwb
I've added a category on items related to "Contributing to the Wiki".

One contains my thoughts on the different types of articles it might contain and how they could be organised.

The second is a brief FAQ to provide quick answers which eliminate the need to wade through the help just so you can perform a simple task.

Click Contributing to the Wiki and pick the section you'd like to browse.

We still need a forward / introduction style front page of the kind you find in a reference book. My language skills are somewhat lacking here.

David
7113
QUOTE (dwb @ 3 May 2012, 18:26) *
We still need a forward / introduction style front page of the kind you find in a reference book. My language skills are somewhat lacking here.

I'm working on it, but currently it's only in a very rough form.

Regards
Rhiwderin_Ray
I have added some headings for gauge and track types. Willing to proof read any input.
Rhiwderin_Ray
Hi
I have added some text on sectional and flexible track for review and editing..
kiwionrails
They look nice thumbsup.gif thumbsup.gif

I've just added them to the Glossary and Track categories smile.gif
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[[Category:Glossary]][[Category:Track]]


Regards,

Cameron(Kiwionrails)
dwb
Looks good Ray. Reading that article suggests some more -
Cutting flexible track (How To)
Track cutting tools: Razor saw, slitting disk (needs a photo), side cutter, top cutter (Tools)

If you're not confident about inserting the references for these yourself, I could do one of them and you could use it that as a template to do the other?

Which would you prefer to write up? I'm not confident about a slitting disk as I've never done it that way. All of these tool sections should have a warning about eye protection if bits can fly off. We could do with a fixed graphic. There must be an ISO standard symbol for it?

David


dwb
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All of these tool sections should have a warning about eye protection if bits can fly off. We could do with a fixed graphic. There must be an ISO standard symbol for it?

There is - I've found this http://www.iso.org/obp/ui/#iso:grs:2631650

Now to find out what the licensing requirements are..

David
dwb
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Now to find out what the licensing requirements are..


There are plenty of websites selling signs and there are few signs available in the Wiki Commons but not for eye protection which is ISO M004. The websites all have copyright claims so we can't just take image copies. And you have to pay for the standard itself.

Hmmm.

David

kiwionrails
I've quickly knocked one up on MS paint which should do, even if only temporarily. smile.gif


Page

Regards,

Cameron(Kiwionrails)
Rhiwderin_Ray
I have added some more text on Budget, Time and Space. Probably needs indexing???
dwb
Looks good Ray. I've added some formatting - it's really very simple and makes a big difference. All I've done is add pairs of == (2nd level heading)

I also added a section on shared space layouts and turned each of the locations into references as suggestions for more articles.

David
kiwionrails
QUOTE (dwb @ 5 May 2012, 10:52) *
Looks good Ray. I've added some formatting - it's really very simple and makes a big difference. All I've done is add pairs of == (2nd level heading)

I also added a section on shared space layouts and turned each of the locations into references as suggestions for more articles.

David

As was I, at exactly the same time, lol biggrin.gif . I've integrated our two versions together smile.gif , the main differences being in the last couple of sections.

Regards,

Cameron(Kiwionrails)
Doug
The red graphic looks like a requirement to wear reading glasses - sorry Cameron wink.gif

What about these symbols. We could cut them up and load them into the wiki and use whenever appropriate:

kiwionrails
QUOTE (Doug @ 5 May 2012, 11:25) *
The red graphic looks like a requirement to wear reading glasses - sorry Cameron wink.gif

What about these symbols. We could cut them up and load them into the wiki and use whenever appropriate:


My one was only intended to me temporary until a better lot was found tongue.gif

Those ones certainly look the part IMHO smile.gif

Regards,

Cameron(Kiwionrails)
dwb
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What about these symbols. We could cut them up and load them into the wiki and use whenever appropriate:


Looks good to me. If I can find out where they are defined, we could do a reference page as well for the avoidance of doubt.

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As was I, at exactly the same time,


It happens wink.gif

David
dwb
I just had a look at how that page is coming on - very well thumbsup.gif

I don't know if you've noticed this yet but a quick way to find out what's changed is to use the "Recent Changes" link in the navigation bar on the left.

The list that gets created has a "diff" option which will show you what was changed by each particular edit with highlighting to show the differences down to the character level.

I will try to remember to put in a good description of the edit if I've added some formatting or fixed a typo in a reference so that the original author can see what went awry.

I'm going to shut my computer down now so I can get some modelling done wink.gif

David
Rhiwderin_Ray
I have added some text for ERAs. But I am not confident of anything from era 6 onwards - could someone check my text and also add some wording for eras 6, 7, 8 and 9 please?

I think the topic of liveries is a subject on its own right.
kiwionrails
QUOTE (Rhiwderin_Ray @ 5 May 2012, 13:55) *
I have added some text for ERAs. But I am not confident of anything from era 6 onwards - could someone check my text and also add some wording for eras 6, 7, 8 and 9 please?

I think the topic of liveries is a subject on its own right.


Looks really nice so-far smile.gif

One thing is that for text to display on a new line with the wiki software you need to have a blank line in between. Took me a while to work that one out, lol as i couldn't get paragraphs to display properly initially rolleyes.gif

Unfortunately i cant help with the later Eras as my main one is Era 3.

Regards,

Cameron(Kiwionrails)
Rhiwderin_Ray
Some more text within Planning on Layout Formats. Needs checking! Could also do with some simple diagrams.
kiwionrails
QUOTE (Rhiwderin_Ray @ 5 May 2012, 16:50) *
Some more text within Planning on Layout Formats. Needs checking! Could also do with some simple diagrams.

Looks good to me, i'll see what i can do in terms of diagrams, although i doubt that they'll be done any-time soon sad.gif

Regards,

Cameron(Kiwionrails)
PeterPug
Are things from the resources section such as 'Scale Loading Gauges' going to be loaded into the Wiki?
Doug
QUOTE (PeterPug @ 5 May 2012, 17:33) *
Are things from the resources section such as 'Scale Loading Gauges' going to be loaded into the Wiki?

Why not. If you are up for it go ahead. I'm sure it will be done sometimes otherwise. Or just link to it from the wiki from a suitable page - perhaps the glossary
kiwionrails
I've started off the page here, hope its ok to upload copies of the ones in resources. But could others please add some background info as i'm not sure on a couple of aspects. sad.gif

Regards,

Cameron(Kiwionrails)
Rhiwderin_Ray
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QUOTE (kiwionrails @ 5 May 2012, 19:04) *
I've started off the page here, hope its ok to upload copies of the ones in resources. But could others please add some background info as i'm not sure on a couple of aspects. sad.gif

Regards,

Cameron(Kiwionrails)


I would reference the resources section as the drawings are by C.J.Freezer.
kiwionrails
QUOTE (Rhiwderin_Ray @ 5 May 2012, 19:12) *
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I would reference the resources section as the drawings are by C.J.Freezer.


Do you think that putting a note at the bottom saying something along the lines of "Drawings obtained from Model Rail Forum Resource section" would be suitable?

Regards,

Cameron(Kiwionrails)
Rhiwderin_Ray
I wouldn't as it implies the forum resources owns them.
PeterPug
.................
whatever, guys. It just seemed a reasonable idea.......................
kiwionrails
QUOTE (PeterPug @ 5 May 2012, 19:52) *
.................
whatever, guys. It just seemed a reasonable idea.......................

It is, we're just trying to work out the legal stuff wink.gif

QUOTE (Rhiwderin_Ray @ 5 May 2012, 19:37) *
I wouldn't as it implies the forum resources owns them.

So would just a plain " C.J.Freezer" work? possibly with a link to the resource section as well

Regards,

Cameron(Kiwionrails)
Rhiwderin_Ray
Sounds ok to me..
kiwionrails
QUOTE (Rhiwderin_Ray @ 5 May 2012, 22:46) *
Sounds ok to me..


'tis now done smile.gif

Regards,

Cameron(Kiwionrails)
Rhiwderin_Ray
I have added some info on Track Codes (code 100, code 75 etc) and also on Baseboard considerations to the WIKI

(Wiki is now just underneath the Forum logo)
Rhiwderin_Ray
I have added some basic text to the Landscape section of the wiki.

(WIKI section is a modellers resource - found just under the Model Rail Forum logo) Go have a look !!! dribble.gif dribble.gif
Doug
To combat the spammers who have found the wiki, I've blocked all wiki users who's names don't correspond to forum members names.

If you have joined the wiki and find your account blocked, please send me an email or PM and I'll unblock you.

Also, from now on, new wiki members will have to send us an email or PM to gain access to edit the wiki - too many spammers otherwise. We encourage members to join the wiki and contribute, just send me an email or PM and I'll add you to the users list.

Doug
A note to Wiki editors.

Content
We have plenty of content on the forum itself and it is easy to link to existing content. In most cases it is OK to do so as our forum and the Wiki are on the same server and are managed by the same people/organisation. But if you link to content elsewhere on another private or commercial site, there is no guarantee that the link will work in the future. If you, for example, link to an article on a blog off-site and the blog is deleted later, then the Wiki article becomes useless. It is much better to consider the Wiki as a repository or information.

So please copy the information to the Wiki and by all means give a reference to where the info came from and by whom created it in the first place. You may give a link in the reference to the source of the info. So in the future, if the source disappears, at least the info is safe on the Wiki, even if the source link doesn't work any more.

Further info on Citations & Footnotes.


Categories
Remember that when creating new pages, categorise them immediately so as to prevent isolated and orphaned pages.

So if you page is about a new section or concept, add to the 1st line of your page:
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[[Category:Contents]]

Which will make it show up on the contents page.

If say for example your page is about DCC BUS wiring, add:
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[[Category:Track]][[Category:Wiring]]

Which will add your page under the category of 'Track' (which is itself under 'Contents') and the category 'Wiring' (which is also under 'Contents'). So basically, we are creating a logical hierarchy of pages which will help with organisation and info retrieval later on.


Embedding video
You may embed video bu using the following code:
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{{#ev:service|id}}

Where 'service' is the name of a video sharing service and 'id' is the id of the video to include So you would use it as follows:
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{{#ev:youtube|q41PTbIMMS8}}

More options for embedding video can be seen on the Wiki Extensions page.


Analytics Stats
To help us with pageview stats, add to the last line of your page (under everything else):
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<analytics uacct="UA-127667-2" ></analytics>

Which will include your page in the stats analysis results.


All this and some more info can be found in the Wiki Editing FAQ, linked to from the Help page.
Doug
These are the current Wanted Pages on the Wiki. If you can add info for these pages and if you are not yet an editor, please send me a PM with your email address and a password that you would like to use (not your forum password) and I'll set you up as an editor.

https://www.modelrailforum.com/wiki/index.p...ial:WantedPages


We welcome any member to edit the Wiki. You can work on these pages or create new ones.
Chinahand
Hi Doug,

Since N Gauge modelling is my own particular interest I thought I might try to prepare an article for the 'Wanted' section. However, as soon as I started researching the origins of N gauge I came across this Wikipedia section which seems to already provide both a history of its evolution and links to other associated articles. The question therefore is "Do we really need to reinvent the wheel" to compile a separate MRF Wiki site when most, if not all, of the information is already out there ?
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