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Gary Russ
Has anyone built or seen a T gauge layout? What are the practical limitations?
Norman Byrne
Hi Gary,

I have seen a few guys down here at a show at Worthing, they were members of the N guage society, & were displaying sections of there modular layout, where each person builds there own section / module, with entry & exit tracks at set positions, so they can then join them together; was a very large layout on display. But as a sort of aside, one guy had built track into box files, cd cases, etc - this I seem to think may have been T guage; but could not swear to it. The next show is in the new year - Note to self; "Check the guage" LOL ! But they were obviously in the "boxes" they were in mini diorama, rather than layouts.

In my case the limiting factors would be poor eyes & fingers like sausages - I struggle at 00 LOL !!!!

Are you thinking of branching out from your Z guage then ?

Cheers,


Norm

PS. I also think they have a layout down here at the Guagemaster shop at Ford; again will check next trip LOL !
Gary Russ
Thanks Norm. I think that Gaugemaster is the main UK distributor/agent.

Am I thinking about branching out from Z? Every so often I get these almost uncontrollable urges to venture into T, but I always manage to resist them rolleyes.gif

What has always put me off in the past is that the only trains available are more or less commuter types, with no freight trains at all. What has brought on the latest attack (LOL) is finding a Marklin demonstration layout that is just made for passenger only traffic :-s
Riddles
Gaugemaster pulled out of T Gauge some time ago. The main UK distributor is TGauge.com of Edinburgh. They provide very good support and are able to supply the full range, as it becomes available.
Gary Russ
Thanks Riddles. Do you know how "healthy" the gauge is? For example, are there many people modelling in T? Are T layouts being shown at exhibitions?
Bill Veloz
Are T layouts being shown at exhibitions?

Good question. I am looking for one for a show in 2014 in Berkshire. Any volunteers? Expenses paid, plus lunch and hot and cold running refreshments ! They seem a bit of a rarity on the exhibition circuit but I am after a good mix of scales.
Riddles
Good question. I am looking for one for a show in 2014 in Berkshire. Any volunteers? Expenses paid, plus lunch and hot and cold running refreshments ! They seem a bit of a rarity on the exhibition circuit but I am after a good mix of scales.

You could re-post the question on http://www.t-gauge.net/forum3/ where most discussion on T-Gauge seems to take place. I am not sure whether Alan Ramsey of http://www.tgauge.com/ would be prepared to travel from Edinburgh. He might know of someone closer who could assist.
Bill Veloz
Thanks for that info, I will follow it up. Edinburgh is a long, long way away !
Simon Gott
A late reply to the OP:

I bought some bits of T Gauge recently with a view to building a 4mm scale miniature gauge railway. Over the last few weeks, I've been having a play (experiment!) and although "my research is incomplete", my conclusions so far are:

Forget shunting - the second generation motors are up to it but the couplings are not...

It's best to avoid baseboard joints - making an exhibition layout of ore than c 4' x 2' rather tricky...

Cleanliness is next to Godliness - I'd strongly recommend a cover for when it's not in use, to protect from dust etc.

There is a 'fascination factor' due to the small size.


Unfortunately I can't offer to help with your show, Riddles, I live in the North - not as far North as Edinburgh but far enough to make the mileage cripplingly expensive...

Freight, 3D printing from Shapeways may help - details on the T Gauge Forum already mentioned.
Bill Veloz
Just following up on that last reply, I have invitations out to two T gauge layouts and am waiting responses. Created quite a bit of interest in our club purely because nobody has seen any yet.

jcuknz
I am building a small layout here in Dunedin ... just a loop with one spur ... this is causing problems that the loco stops every time at the point/switch quite apart from other places ...I guess 'set track' is even worse in T than OO smile.gif The thought of soldering up the joins is mind boggling ... it was bad enough organising power connections, just the two of them.

I bought a pair of ====47's with the idea of simulating the local Railmotor RM24 which runs tourist trips trips for the Taieri Gorge Railway here in Dunedin but wonder how one couples them ... not impressed that there are no couplings with the stock and there seems to be a set charge of UKP9 for any parcel .
conmaira
It might be worth having a look at/contacting the T gauge Society link - if for no other reason to see a time lapse video of them building a layout (without any people being seen!).

Seemed a bit over constructed for the scale but......

Don't know how much their shipping to NZ would be but they won't charge VAT.

Hugh
roversean
Am looking at maybe buying a starter set and seeing how I find it
Dinwiddy
As far as I am aware the locos should have come with two differing couplings, one a minature rapido type and a more basic hook & loop system. Try emailing your supplier.
With T gauge cleanliness is imperative on both track and wheelsets. I use a lint free cloth and liquid lighter fuel for a quick wipe-round and then their rail-pen which helps. The rail joiners are so small a very close inspection is needed to ensure each one has actually slid on properly!
Regards
David Y
Loco-notion Models
jcuknz
Infected by the guy wanting a turntable in T below I went ahead and bought some T ... couple of rail-cars and track. I found either dirt or lack of connection between the set track pieces meant very un-reliable operation so come the annual Otago Model Engineering Festival Week at the start of February this year I had this on a show cabinet and not running. A friend added some Z scale in the front for comparison.



In my descriptive notes I pointed out I had given up on T and was running a small 'G' circle of track with Accucraft's Dora doing the honours. I had given up following the arrival of some figures which obviously were much smaller than the set of cars and trucks which were bad enough .....So I will be sticking to Gauge One and perhaps follow through with my On2 or whatever it is smile.gif
Martin Kaselis
In my experience, T can be quite reliable. Yes, you have to keep the track and wheels clean, and carefully remove fluff from the gears and axleboxes.

However, the real key is having more than one motor unit per train. I run three trains on my little layout - an HST with 3 motor units and two other trains with permanently coupled and wired double-headed locos. During its only exhibition showing so far, those three trains got through two full days of stop-start automatic running with no stalls or similar issues. My little 1-motor-unit backup DMU, on the other hand, was a real pain. I'll be adding another power car before that one goes back on the track.
jcuknz
I can only say congratulations Martin ,,, I am going to stick to Gauge One smile.gif
Martin Kaselis
Gauge one? Hmmm - there's enough room to build an entire T gauge layout in one of your open wagons!
Mr N. Ladd
What are they like at staying on the track? Not surprised about current collection though it may be possible to look at it via either ading a third rail (Hornby Dublo 3 rail locos were rarely suseptible to losing current) or maybe a tiny overhead system? Umm. All I can say is to see if you can get as much electrical connections via wheels or skates etc as possible. The concept of having a layout running where one can have a real "Birds eye view" seems amazing to me, though the thought of painting any rolling stock or buildings etc... !!!
Martin Kaselis
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What are they like at staying on the track?

Very good actually. Over a two-day exhibition a few months back with three trains running I had exactly one derailment, and that was after someone bumped the table. The only issues I have had are:

The 3d printed 4-wheel wagons have quite a lot of friction, so a long train generates a lot of drag. When I try to run a long goods rake around tight (hidden!) balloon loops the whole train can get pulled off the track. That limits me to about 20 wagons, or slightly more if there is a motor unit part way along. There is now a new wagon design available with pinpoint axle wheelsets which should be better, but I haven't tried them yet.

Their very light weight and stiff couplers mean that the vehicles don't always settle down to run fully centred on the track, so sometimes the coaches in a train can look a little misaligned.

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Not surprised about current collection though ... or maybe a tiny overhead system?

As long as you keep things clean and have two motor units per train, then not a problem. I suspect a working catenary would be a bit of nightmare, though the dummy system looks quite good.

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... the thought of painting any rolling stock or buildings etc... !!!

At long viewing distances (12 inches!), even quite crude paint jobs look fine. It works out to the same amount of fiddliness per square inch as the larger scales.
Mr N. Ladd
Ah. I was puzzled in my mind about the need for more then one motor bogie. You've explained it well. I did find with 00 gauge that two motor bogies in different locations often caused the train (As in not just the locomotive) to leave the rails due to one shuddering over a bit of dirt or over a frog while the rear one is still pushing. I did hear that someone on a garden railway had provided power for his complete HST set (Before the days of the all wheel drive HST powercars) via two motor bogies in the buffet car, so I gave it a go and ordered spare HST chassis mouldings to cut for use. It kindof worked but though I wired both up so if current was obstructed they would both stop, one motor was lazyier then the other and often caused the wheels to rise and de-rail. I'm glad you are not experiencing the same .
About painting. Yes. From a distance. Though I'm glad I've gone up a scale from 4mm to 7mm (Though narrow gauge for economy purposes and fun!) I have been glad as I find painting the larger items easier!
You mentioned about 3d printed wagons. Those sound interesting. Regarding the friction and now pin point bearings are available it should make quite a difference. As T scale is still in it's infancy you should find as the years pass, more and more items become available as more minds see the possibilities. That is a good thing, though in a few ways one gets an adventure feeling when one has a little railway only a few others have.
When I was young there was a tradition on Good friday once a year to climb up the end of the mountain to get to the rock slide. Us kiddies (Younger kidies needed to slide on dads laps for safety) would slide down the smooth rockface bending our legs ready for the sudden stop at the bottom while parents and tired kids would sit and enjoy the view. I remem ber looking down and watching c ars and lorries and the occasional bus, and the trains passing on the main line, along with the rarer site of the three class 03's and the 50 to 60 wagons they'd tow along on the old Burry Port and Gwendraeth Railway below. And such scenes would be amazing to re-create in a small scale today. smile.gif Sadly this portion of line closed in 1983 (Ish) and the other bit closed later. (A friend of mine is trying to reopen the upper parts and he has bought a class 03 that used to run up here along with a rare find. An 0-6-0ST that was built for the line in 1900. Last I heard it was being restored but in amazing order considering! Only certain locomotives and rolling stock can be used on this line due to bridge heights as it was first built as a canal following a route donkeys uset to bring coal down the valley before the canals came along. The lower parts are now a cycle path, but still suffer during winter months from flooding.(Well. It was a canal once!)
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