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kristopher1805
I thought that after the rip roaring success of my Towcaster locos thread I looked about the layout and thought there may be some interest in wagon rolling stock, so I thought to try this out on our avid readership.

So to kick matters off we have a couple of Wrenns, I have a very great many Wrenn wagons and love the rumble they make just like the real thing so as we go through there will be a lot of content not just Wrenn but others as well hopefully some that are interesting, sadly only about a third of my wagon stock is in use but we'll start with those that see some action, please feel free to comment, tell me I am wrong or whatever, just pile in.


A genuine Wrenn W5040 that was purchased by father many years ago probably about 1980

Meanwhile he also purchased another Wrenn Shell tanker but this one is the pre-war style of lettering, father was always fond of this one and said he never saw another one like it, I cannot find the reference in the Wrenn books by Maurice Gunter but it was definetly Wrenn, suppose I better find the box and the end tab reference number but a rare one for sure.

Bizman
I was thinking only the other day that so much emphasis is on the loco at the expense of the rolling stock. In many of the prototype photos the first few vehicles behind the loco have aroused my curiosity. I look forward to your posts with interest.
steveiow
Kris
Yep,keep 'em rollin'!
I love seeing model photos,my main weakness is coaching stock,so there's another thread for you.
Are these Wrenn tankers the same as Dublo ones?
I have a lot of those still,3 and 2 rail.
Steve thumbsup.gif
kristopher1805
Thanks for commenting, always feel free to post as well, more the merrier. Doublo wagons were originally metal bodied and then sometime about 1958 or so Dublo introduced the super detail plastic bodies, chassis were cast aluminium and wheels were fixed track plastic and this helped later with 2/3 rail although some very old ones had metal wheels but I have none this old.

The tanks remained metal bodied and some of them had old long gone oil company names such as Power Ethyl some of which carried over into the plastic bodied Wrenn era, sorry I am no expert but always willing to be corrected.

Father got hold of a large number of Wrenn chassis and he passed some to me, these often got other bodies like this one I think a Bachmann tank, being an unusual blue colour I quite like this one.

Grifter_Guru
Must admit, I have a few Dublo tanks both two and three rail, though not for long. I am slowly getting around to fitting new wheel set to them and adding a bit of roofing lead to bulk up the weight a tad.

Always try to line the tanks with plastic first to avoid dissimilar metal corrosion. Not very likely, but I prefer to err on the side of caution....

Will grab some phots and post them up soon.
kristopher1805
Here is a metal tank that has fallen off its chassis, the Hornby Dublo chassis had tabs for these tankers but this was removed from the HD chassis and fitted to a Wrenn one with some glue but serves to show the assembly.


The Wrenn chassis is here
steveiow
Kris
Those are the tanks I'm on about and next door to that Brotherton (which is'nt Dublo) do I see the old Triang conflat with 3 containers?
Had a couple of those once,quite liked them.
Grifter Guru-I would have thought Dublo tanks were heavy enough,save the lead for the 2 Bob Airfix minerals!!!
Steve thumbsup.gif
kristopher1805
Yep vintage Triang with 3 containers, this may be oldest new item I have as father must have purchased it about 1960 I do not have that much Triang stuff left.

kristopher1805
Back when locos meant steam and Hornby Dublo still made 3 rail, summers were always sunny and everyone was worried about global nuclear winters there were not many colourful wagons, the private owner deluge had not commenced and about the only colourful wagon was the United Glass Bottle Manufacturers Hornby Dublo one. This one has lost the H-D chassis and has a later Wrenn one, earlier aluminium cast chassis had solid in fill between the brake rods, so I had to get a couple of these because I always liked them as they were different.

kristopher1805
Hornby Dublo produced a conflat, you can see the wheel keepers that come up through the chassis/body to hold the axles in place, there were two alternate containers of the BD size a red normal one and a white insul container.

This model never carried over to Wrenn.


With the insul container
sarah
QUOTE (kristopher1805 @ 22 May 2016, 21:42) *
Yep vintage Triang with 3 containers, this may be oldest new item I have as father must have purchased it about 1960 I do not have that much Triang stuff left.




The Conflat L, with "L" Type containers. These were used for powders, and limestone.

The Tri-ang model came out after 1963 (Plastic chassis, pin-point axles). The containers have two different numbers moulded into them....but not three different numbers!

Very often people mis-identify th eL type containers as "Transformers"....there is a resemblance. wink.gif
sarah
QUOTE (kristopher1805 @ 23 May 2016, 16:07) *
Back when locos meant steam and Hornby Dublo still made 3 rail, summers were always sunny and everyone was worried about global nuclear winters there were not many colourful wagons, the private owner deluge had not commenced and about the only colourful wagon was the United Glass Bottle Manufacturers Hornby Dublo one. This one has lost the H-D chassis and has a later Wrenn one, earlier aluminium cast chassis had solid in fill between the brake rods, so I had to get a couple of these because I always liked them as they were different.




Hornby Dublo were always "prototype concious", and so did not make PO wagons in general, as these had mostly been taken over during WW2, and then nationalised. These were the "Pool" wagons.

Note the "Non-Pool" branding of the United Glass wagon. Some specialised wagons, for specific traffics, etc., including tank wagons, were not Pooled and remained Privately Owned, even after 1948 and BR...

The United Glass wagon was a specilised Sand carrying wagon (the real wagons have protected axle-boxes, to limit the ingress of sand! ohmy.gif

A genuine BR era PO wagon...
kristopher1805
Thanks Sarah for the extra information and comments, So I now throw in a Hornby Dublo ventilated fitted van, these were knocked out in large numbers and unlike the later vans had a fixed roof but painted white, I never recall a white roof on any BR van but generally what I like about models from this era is that they are pretty much the correct colours but I like a range of vans all very slightly different.

This one has a later Wrenn chassis.
Grifter_Guru
Stevieow... Yes, dublo wagons have a weight all of their own, but I add lead to reach a "general" weight that helps keep them planted on the rails and also helps the wagons sound more prototypically heavy.

It also adds to the realism when it requires double heading to pull a certain train of suitably weighted wagons too...
sarah
QUOTE (kristopher1805 @ 24 May 2016, 20:11) *
Thanks Sarah for the extra information and comments, So I now throw in a Hornby Dublo ventilated fitted van, these were knocked out in large numbers and unlike the later vans had a fixed roof but painted white, I never recall a white roof on any BR van but generally what I like about models from this era is that they are pretty much the correct colours but I like a range of vans all very slightly different.

This one has a later Wrenn chassis.


No problem... smile.gif

There is a suggestion that the Hornby Dublo Vent Van had a white roof because it was based on an experimental wagon with a translucent (fibreglass probably) roof, to let the light in!

I think I read this in Michael Fosters Hornby Dublo History Book (New Cavendish...)
kristopher1805
Back in the late '60's Trix produced the first of the new wave of private owner wagons, they kept to simple colours and arranged them regionally, as father wanted Yorks and Lancs and especially the Calder and Colne Valleys so Issac Wilkinson apparently based at Mytholmroyd in the Calder Valley was popular, this one has been attached to a Wrenn aluminium chassis.


steveiow
Kris
That coal wagon looks like one of those Peco Wonderful wagons!
Sarah-that van,if it is supposed to represent a translucent roof version it has the wrong number,only the last 100 B784773-784872 had that feature,apparently made of polyester,so Kris,a quick pass with a rattle can....
By the way Kris,the weathering on that class 8 is fantastic-whoops wrong thread ermm.gif
Steve thumbsup.gif
sarah
The Trix wagons were made to the "Trix Scale" of around 3.8mm to 1 foot.

This made the bodies about the correct length for 4mm OO, but a little narrow!


I believe that Trix were one of the first makers to use "Tampo Printing", and paint finishes over the base plastic.


I can see the likeness to the PECO "Wonderful Wagons", which used embossed card overlays on a Die-cast body.


There are quite a few of these PO wagons. Later made under the "Liliput" label, so the tooling if it survives could have passed to Bachmann Europe...


The HD vent van in front of me also carries the same number....B757051...
kristopher1805
You must be well informed Sarah so see what you make of the next ones.
Another Trix body this time for the West Riding colliery at Maltby.

kristopher1805
Not a Trix wagon 'Arnold Sands' was one of the Trix private owner series, not sure whose this is.

sarah
I am rather well read, mainly about Tri-ang and Hornby Dublo, as I have yet to get hold of the Trix book!

That "Arnolds Sands" 5-plank wagon is from Hornby Railways. That much I didn't have to look up...

R.097 in 1978...(The catalogue is out on the bench! wink.gif )

1970s (Plastic finish) and 1980s (Painted finish.) (From Ramsey's...)
kristopher1805
Thanks for that, it came through fathers collection and it does not have a Wrenn chassis.

In the rush for private owner wagons the typical grey 5 plank like this one were forgotten, as I said before I like them as they were contemporary, the body is Hornby Dublo and the chassis a late Wrenn.

kristopher1805
Ok now a Wrenn 16 ton mineral wagon is next up, this was made in a few variations this being the BR generic.

sarah
The Wrenn 16T Mineral Wagons use the "Super Detail" plastic Hornby Dublo wagon body.

The original Hornby Dublo cast metal 16T Mineral Wagon was last used to make the famous HD Track Cleaning Wagon....which used "Roll-your-own" cigarette filters as "wicks" to clean the rails, in the same way as the Wills Track Cleaning wagon...
steveiow
Sarah
If you have a couple of those track cleaners you could sell them and retire,somewhere I've got some spare filter tips for them.........
I remember seeing one in a toy shop in Leicester when I was a boy,but have'nt seen one since.Rumour had it that they went into one of the docks in Liverpool for landfill along with lots of other rubbish.
Steve
kristopher1805
So now another Trix wagon, a bulk grain carrier, there were a whole range of different whiskies but we still have this one.

kristopher1805
The more modern Bachmann looks similar though, I like these might buy a few more.

Pennine MC
Kris, the Bachmann wagon essentially is the Trix one; you can also find them with Lilliput branding. Bachmann have only done a limited selection of liveries though. That said though, I think your blue one there is a Triang one.
kristopher1805
Ian, Possibly, it is old for sure and nothing on the chassis which is different to the later Bachmann ones
sarah
QUOTE (Pennine MC @ 30 May 2016, 08:33) *
Kris, the Bachmann wagon essentially is the Trix one; you can also find them with Lilliput branding. Bachmann have only done a limited selection of liveries though. That said though, I think your blue one there is a Triang one.



I can confirm that the VAT 69 Wagon is one of Tri-ang Hornby's version...

The 2 differences are the size, bigger than Trix (then Liliput, then Bachmann...yes the same tooling...)

There is a story here...more later! wink.gif
kristopher1805
OK I am sure the story will be worth waiting for, back to you Sarah.

In the meantime how about a Lima GWR siphon G, these run very well and I have quite a few.

Grifter_Guru
How about sharing one? Can't find one at a reasonable price at the moment.....
kristopher1805
Hmm, nope don't think so, I like them.

Much older is this Triang Passenger Luggage Van? another that father had from about 1960?

Mr N. Ladd
What Sarah mentioned before regarding fibre glass roofs, somewhere I have seen one with such a roof and they do let the light in. It is a grounded version I have seen somewhere used as a shed. There are thousands of old van bodies still surviving in wales on old farms etc so can't remember where it was I saw it as I was paying more attention to it being an old goods van then the details of it. It may have been at a property in mid wales we were looking at or a farm my brother was working at. Just can't remember where.
The extra weight of Hornby Dublo metal wagons is lovely, and especially when they start to rust a bit. They just look the part! Not sure I'd want too much weight though as in real life locomotives certainly pulled more then most of our models do! Not knocking our models. It is how gravity works in the smaller scales I guess!
kristopher1805
Yes spot on, the deep flanges, metal wheels later ones have pin point axles, good body cast detail and the weight and stability of the cast alloy chassis all make for an excellent runner.

Meanwhile I have this Gresley wooden bodied full brake made from a plastic kit.

sarah
QUOTE (kristopher1805 @ 30 May 2016, 21:28) *
OK I am sure the story will be worth waiting for, back to you Sarah.

In the meantime how about a Lima GWR siphon G, these run very well and I have quite a few.




Now there was I thinking that LIMA made the flat sided (Inside Frame) Syphon H.....Including Palethorpes, ENPARTS, etc versions...

And Aifix (GMR) and then on to Mainline (And then Dapol, and then Hornby?) made the Syphon G (Outside Frame..) version! wink.gif
sarah
QUOTE (kristopher1805 @ 31 May 2016, 05:52) *
Hmm, nope don't think so, I like them.

Much older is this Triang Passenger Luggage Van? another that father had from about 1960?



The not-so-commonn BR "Maroon" livery...1958-1961. Mk III Couplings 1959-1961...so 1960 very likely! wink.gif

The running number has a "S" at the beginning, so allocated to the Southern Region...th elast "S" shews that it is a Southern Railway design, so the repairs would usually be dealt with by an Ex SR works...

Other "suffixes" used...

E for Ex LNER
W for Ex GWR
M for ex LMS
sarah
QUOTE (sarah @ 30 May 2016, 17:00) *
I can confirm that the VAT 69 Wagon is one of Tri-ang Hornby's version...

The 2 differences are the size, bigger than Trix (then Liliput, then Bachmann...yes the same tooling...)

There is a story here...more later! wink.gif



Trix were the first to make the BRT Grain Hopper Wagon. (It may well be a "Trix-Scale" 3.8 mm to 1 foot model...)

In 1968, They came to an arrangement with Tri-ang to supply models for sale as Tri-ang Hornby, if Tri-ang were to supply the MkIII Couplings to be fitted by Trix.

Trix had problems supplying the models that Tri-ang wanted, and at one point were supplying bodies only, which were mounted on a Tri-ang Hornby China Clay Wagon Chassis.

In the end, Tri-ang tooled their own version, with a lift off lid (enabling the model to be used without the lid as an open Hopper Wagon).
This is bigger...possibly more 4mm - 1 ft?


LIMA made a later version of A BRT hopper...it was a little tall in the chassis it sems...
kristopher1805
Just goes to show that even know it alls can learn more!

So we have a very long lived wagon still made today by Dapol but this is a Wrenn 3 door fruit van. This one adapted to supply diesel loco parts across BR as Enparts.

Pennine MC
QUOTE (sarah @ 1 Jun 2016, 09:56) *
Trix were the first to make the BRT Grain Hopper Wagon. (It may well be a "Trix-Scale" 3.8 mm to 1 foot model...)

......
Tri-ang tooled their own version,...bigger...possibly more 4mm - 1 ft?


LIMA made a later version of A BRT hopper...it was a little tall in the chassis it sems...


The Trix 'intermediate' scale is generally held to be 3.8 (or 3.75) mm:ft, but run a rule over most of them and you soon realise they're not consistent scale models anyway, with some dimensions panning out as virtually 4mm:ft. I like the grain hopper though, it catches the look and has much more finesse than the Triang lump. The Lima one is (again generally) held to be too tall, most of the excess being in the suspension pedestals, but I've never thought it worth hacking it out as some have done. Again it's a model I've run a rule over in terms of significant dimensions and IIRC, losing that 1mm or so could compromise other discrepancies and make the whole thing sit too low overall.
sarah
QUOTE (sarah @ 1 Jun 2016, 10:42) *
Now there was I thinking that LIMA made the flat sided (Inside Frame) Syphon H.....Including Palethorpes, ENPARTS, etc versions...

And Aifix (GMR) and then on to Mainline (And then Dapol, and then Hornby?) made the Syphon G (Outside Frame..) version! wink.gif



QUOTE (kristopher1805 @ 1 Jun 2016, 14:34) *
Just goes to show that even know it alls can learn more!

So we have a very long lived wagon still made today by Dapol but this is a Wrenn 3 door fruit van. This one adapted to supply diesel loco parts across BR as Enparts.




It turns out that there are 3 RTR bogie Syphon wagons...

The Hornby (ex-Airfix/Dapol) outside-framed Siphon G to dia O11 (As in your photo... wink.gif )

The Hornby (ex-Airfix/Dapol) Siphon H to dia O12. This is the Non-Corridor version, with end doors...

The Lima inside-framed Siphon G to dia O33. (This is the one made as "Palethorpes" etc...that I thought was a Syphon H... )

http://www.gwr.org.uk/prosiphonmod.html


The Fruit D I see still has the board for the "Babycham" advert... Wrenn all right!
sarah
@ Pennine MC

Thanks for the info... good to know. smile.gif
kristopher1805
Great folks, please keep the info coming, I do have the other types of siphons as well but no decent photos- a treat to follow, meanwhile;

Another good running Lima wagon is the 40 foot LMS GUV (General Utility van) as this one, again I have quite a few of these.

kristopher1805
Not much interest there, perhaps an LMS 50' brake van might be of more interest.

kristopher1805
A quite interesting tank wagon was this Hornby Dublo 'Traffic Services' continental style tanker used for cross channel traffic, father collected about 8 of these and was always on the look out for another, Wrenn never made this model so it is now a long time since any were made.

Iarnrod
Always interested in your collections! I agree about the Lima GUV, I have a BR Blue one for my parcels train and the fact it is bogied makes it a useful barrier vehicle between my kit-built CCTs & FruitD.

My LMS Brake Van is also BR Blue, and a Bachmann special for Modelzone which I got for a song when they were closing down. Like yours too!
kristopher1805
Another Wrenn this time a 20 ton hopper.

kristopher1805
The hopper wagon was made in a variety of liveries this one obviously being Charringtons

kristopher1805
Sorry not quite focused but another version is the National Coal Board Merthyr hopper such as this one.

kristopher1805
OK not much excitement there then, try an old Triang bogie tanker this is a Murgatroyd one, there were in fact very few bogie tankers back in the 1960's but this was one of those few Dublo did a Chlorine tanker in green.



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