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just wondered if any one was in the know as to when the Class 411 CEP EMU by bachman is likely to be realeased?
A quick scan through bachmans web site revels very little, i also noticed that ROS, have it listed as a forthcomming item at £94.50, so i guess it cant be that far off of being in the shops, after trying to build a kit model of north london railway 501s and getting nowhere fast with it, this model looks very respectable at less than £100, cant wait to get my grubby hands on one !!!
 

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Don't hold your breath. I was recently advised by a dealer that the very earliest it will be available is next year. I also fail to see how a four coach train will be able to retail for under £100.00. This sounds like a very iffy piece of advertising.

As an aside I still wonder why they announced the original and not the refurbished version, after all the refurbs appeared in a lot more liveries than the originals, there was even a green one used by the Queen in 1992.

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QUOTE (BRITHO @ 4 Jun 2007, 17:04) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Don't hold your breath. I was recently advised by a dealer that the very earliest it will be available is next year. I also fail to see how a four coach train will be able to retail for under £100.00. This sounds like a very iffy piece of advertising.

As an aside I still wonder why they announced the original and not the refurbished version, after all the refurbs appeared in a lot more liveries than the originals, there was even a green one used by the Queen in 1992.

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I was under the impresion that it was a three coach unit? did not realise it was a four car unit?
 

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I understand the original version could make use of some of the mouldings from Bachmann's Mk1 coach range for 2 of the vehicles. A refurbished 4-CEP couldn't , because of the hopper windows. There is also the fact that an early 4-CEP can be made in green and run alongside Hornby Bullied Pacifics , Arthurs, Britannias, Q1s, Bachmann's N. It may not be authentic for the SW Division in that state , but anyone modelling the last years of Southern steam doesn't exactly have an alternative RTR model

Given that steam is still seen as the major market, and D+E as a niche market, 3rd rail electrics are percieved as a niche of a niche . Tooling up a complete 4 car unit only suitable for people modelling the Southern after 1980 may be seen as just too small a market. Producing something where you already have some of the vehicles and you can sell it to all those folk who have bought new generation Southern kettles , as well as to a large minority of 3rd rail electric modellers, looks a lower risk

£94 , as a discount RailsOS price seems credible to me - the list price for a Bachmann 4 car Voyager , not so long ago, was £90

But I wouldn't personally expect it until at least 2009 , perhaps late 2009. It's behind the 150 in the queue, and that's not imminent
 

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I've just thought, with the addition of a buffet car they could easily produce the BEP (Buffet Electro-Pneumatic) version which would make a twelve coach train realisable. Now that could be fun.

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Judging by the above I should be able to save up my pennies and buy a set or two when they eventually come out.

I suspect the delay is down to the fact that the driving vehicles will need new tooling, or is it that Bachman can't find one to photograph?

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QUOTE I've just thought, with the addition of a buffet car they could easily produce the BEP (Buffet Electro-Pneumatic) version which would make a twelve coach train realisable. Now that could be fun.

That could well be the game plan - tool an extra vehicle (assuming its not the same as something in the loco hauled Mk1 range) and suddenly you can sell a second unit to a lot of folk

I think the delay is down, firstly to the fact that Bachmann have always taken a long time to deliver stuff - they are trying to tighten up and get it down to under 2 years delay but it's the kettles that seem to be benefiting . Secondly , this model is viewed as very marginal high risk niche stuff, so when it comes to development and production slots "mainstream" models like the Jubilee and Scot get priority . Especially when there is an urgency to deliver before a competitor. The production slots to advance the 37 came from somewhere..., and it seems Barwell are more than half expecting Vi-Trains to announce a 47 - which is Bachmann's other 4mm D+E release for this year. On the other hand Hornby seem to have dropped their project for an EMU after Bachmann's announcement , so the 4-CEP project has already fulfilled one objective

Thirdly Bachmann seem to be putting a lot of energy into N gauge, where Dapol have started to give them a run for their money . I'd guess the N gauge Jubilee might even just make it for Warley , and could well preceed the 4mm version. This means less time and effort going into other areas and the clear loser is OO diesels. Bachmann inevitably have a lot of projects on the go at any one time , and these days 4mm D+E models always seem to be back of the queue, bottom of the priority list, "not dropped", etc etc .

My last copy of DEMU Update had a News section rounding up the recent announcements. Bachmann's 2007 N gauge and DCC programme filled 2.5 columns. OO managed one paragraph - not much more than a column inch . This from the traditional leader in OO RTR diesels....
 

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The Bachmann Collectors Club magazine always seems to be dominated by N gauge releases too!

4 car Voyagers generally retailed for £84 or less (one of mine cost £79.99), so I would hope the 4CEP to be sold for a similar amount after discounting.
Another price reference would be the 3 car DMU's. A 3 car class 168 is currently £74 from Hattons, 3 car class 158/159's were generally the same price, although I've paid £60 for a 3 car SW Trains class 159!

I like the idea of producing the 4BEP by changing one car.
 

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The RRP for the Bachmann 4CEP is around the £120 mark which (Linking back to a previous topic) does seem very good value for money ... Should be DCC ready, Have directional lighting and to a high standard. Compare that to Hornbys 225 which has a RRP of £100 and doesn't have directional lighting, Is not DCC ready and to be honest itsn't that detailed.

I know which one i'm certainly going to get a few off (If i have any money by that point).

As for release i'll go and find my 2009 calender as well ...
 

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Oh dear it appears that the opinion is that this EMU is still some way from being in the shops? compareing the cost of this 4 car model even at £120, compares vavrably with a model kit i purchased some years back of a north london EMU 501, wich only has 3 cars, i still have not finished, and has dubious paint work (by me) this kit cost me about £70 with the motor bogie, so the bachman product in my opinion (for what its worth) seem good value, plus i only got to take it out the box and away we go...
 

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I really think I'll have a couple of blue/grey ones - I only just remember the green ones.

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QUOTE (PaulRhB @ 7 Jun 2007, 14:24) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Ok head down already

How similar are any of the coaches in a CEP to a TC set? Are there any that could be used or adapted to run with the 33's?

Not very ... A CIG unit would be a closer match as the jumper cables in the TC sets are recessed into the cab front. On the CEP they are basically sticking out of the front.

Best bet if you want to model a TC set (For now anyway) is to buy the coaches as they are and buy some castings for the front ends and just create your own.
 

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I have to agree with Jennings with "not very", if I remember correctly the windows are different as well.

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Don't want to get anyone too excited, but Salisbury Model Centre's website gives the release date as 2 March 2009. Anyone taking bets?

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I'm not holding my breath..................

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The following finally on Bachmann website:

Development of the Branchline 00 scale British Railways 4 CEP model is now well advanced. Here we see the first images of the forthcoming model.

This all new model will feature working interior coach lighting, litghted headcode indicator panel, separate hand rails, NEM pocket and a highly detailed under-frame featuring a wealth of prototypical detail.

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Hattons are saying "Easter 2009 delivery is projected, as of 11th November 2008" .... But then delivery of the Hornby Schools was projected as December 2008 and that's still not yet here. Easter Monday this year is April 12th.
 

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Do we know where the motor is going to be located, and how propelling using current couplings is going to be viable? I do wish they'd produced a generic 2-car set for us to rebody! 4-CEP hacks are not so easy, the windows of the motor coaches aren't readily available in the right places so there's a fair bit of hacking involved, but the cast ends have been around for a while... like a lot of projects, the parts are there but some way down the queue, and if the Bachmann model looks good they might just stay there!
 
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