A 10' x 1'6" end to end layout

Ok, Templot now moving ahead. One question though.

The head shunt shown at the end of lets call it platform two, what size locomotive would need to use this facility? I am assuming that suburban trains of a loco and two coaches would use this and run around and reverse out - something like a Fowler 2-6-4T. Would I be correct. Also maybe a Jinty too I would guess. What I wouldn't expect to see would be a 2P or other 4-4-0 Compounds and the like doing that as they wouldn't be running tender first would they?

If a tender loco brought a passenger train into this station then I would assume that a loco would come from the shed as shown and take the coaches back off to the traverser.

As such should I base my headshunt length on the longer tank locos like the Fowler 2-6-4Ts and if so what is that approximate length?

Now the exciting bit comes when I decide that down the track I want to run three casettes of lets say blue diesels and appropriate rolling stock. I know nothing about these beasts at all other than when they have sound fitted and some weathering they are tremendous. Any suggestions for an ex LMS layout? I was thinking of class 20 and Class 08 but apart from that I have no idea. Are the blue diesel passenger locos much larger than a Fowler 2-6-4T? What about DMUs?

QUOTE (Richard Johnson @ 20 Mar 2009, 09:33) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>For setting the length of the escape track on platform 2:

A fowler 2-6-4 was roughtly 47'3" long / 14.4metres long. You'll need a couple of inches more at least for comfort.

OK that would be 200mm conservatively then.

QUOTE (Richard Johnson @ 20 Mar 2009, 09:33) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I'd think the most common passenegr tank loco for a station this small would be an 0-4-4 or similar, wih jintys or MR U class. Perhaps a 2-6-2 as well?

Looks like Falcon Brass offer some suitable locos as does London Road from the look of it. Meanwhile from the RTR point of view I will be able to get by with a Jinty at least. Couldn't find anything on a "U" class. Only SR varieties popped up on the net

QUOTE (Richard Johnson @ 20 Mar 2009, 09:33) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Diesels would be on the smaller side too - Bo-Bo types would predominate. not sure but I'd think not a 20 or an 08 on passenger duty... a 23 or 25 perhaps (calling all blue diesel era modellers in Midland areas - help)
I meant for the 20 and 08 to be in the yards not the passengers sorry. No idea on the passengers at all.

QUOTE (Richard Johnson @ 20 Mar 2009, 09:33) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>A Derby lightweight or a 108 would be an appropriate DMU I think.... 108 looks good 2 car unit in BR blue would be lovely...

QUOTE Would like to stay peak district if possible

That's fine. If you change your mind, just let me know.

David

QUOTE If a tender loco brought a passenger train into this station then I would assume that a loco would come from the shed as shown and take the coaches back off to the traverser.

As such should I base my headshunt length on the longer tank locos like the Fowler 2-6-4Ts and if so what is that approximate length?

mention of the 2-6-4T's...and station pilots, rather leads my train{?} of thought towards this station being at the outer end of a busy commuter line?

Which could well support an intensive commuter service?

Which would mean some pretty slick operation, getting trains to arrive and depart with minimal headway?

I am reminded of an Iain Rice [again, bless him]....track plan....found in his book ''Designs for Urban Layouts''...[ISBN 1 902877 08 2].....which I have quoted from in another thread....

This particular gem is based upon C J Freezer's ''Minories'' plan again.......but altered somewhat from the orginal settings...albeit still on a commuter line.

[I could scan and post, but again I am not sure of copyright issues, etc....maybe Doug could again advise??]

With Mr Rice's interpretation, he came away from the double platform idea, instead creating an island platform scheme.....ie one platform, two main faces.

Both platforms have access in entry and exit modes.....ie the plan can be created either as a double track, or single track mode.......thus each platform road has access to potentially both running lines [or convert one into a short, ''safety'' headshunt..]

Use is made of nicely complicated P&W work..ie double and single slips, etc...the sort which is commonly found on the prototype, where land space was restricted....

.[are modellers influenced AWAY from complex P&W work , believing it to be used only in special cases...based solely on the purchase price of Peco slips and 3-way turnouts, I wonder??]

Iain Rice's plan also has a coal siding [important in the days right up to the 1960's, when most households still ran coal fires, in urban areas]

plus and engine SERVICING road....ie, loco's arrive, quick stoke 'n poke, then sent back

One platform road also is part of a runround loop......enhancing operation, which was absent from the original Freezer Minories plan....

All the above within around 6 foot 6 inches, by about 1 foot to 18 inches..[board edges not parallel on frontage]

I would also suggest 2-4-2 tanks with two or three suburban coaches.....now..one for those with time to search...there IS/WAS a loco building company,located, I believe, somewhere near Exeter [UK]...who produced limited -run locos, ready-to-run.....charging around the £150 price range...not overly heavily detailed, I believe...yet not out-of-the-way,price-wise, compared to a kit?

For Lancashire Fusilier's plan...may I suggest an option....based on Mr Rice's idea....of moving the main station buildings from the rear of the platform, and placing them on a higher level, ACROSS the end of the platform track.. possibly on a bridge which COULD suggest the station may be a 'through' station rather than a terminus...?

Or....if modelled in 'low relief', the station could still be a terminus.....

what this change would allow, is, the extension of the rear platform road right up to the end of the platform proper...ie the same length as the 'main' plaform road?

With the addition of a facing crossover with single slip in the vicinity of the signal box, the plan could be double tracked?

[either way, I would add a short spur/headshunt/safety trap/whatever, again using a single slip....or not as money allows...see above....twixt the cattle siding point, and the point accessing the main line, near the signal box, creating a very short spur/dead end...or even, double track main line exit.......parallel to the running line , under the road bridge??]

LF...there is plenty of room to place a double track exit...providing a slight re-arrangement of various bits is made......I have included a scan of Iain Rice's plan...and humbly apologise if he or anyone else is offended by this........

[A picture conveys my ideas much better than my limited vocabulary???? If the above is a problem, Doug...please delete, and I'll PM Lancashire Fusilier with the image...although many other contributors and watchers might also appreciate Iain Rice's ideas???]

I appreciate the hidden fiddle yard isn't fronted by anything in IR' plan........that is for individuals to adjust or work out.......Iain Rice also has, in the same book, a 6 foot shelf plan for a GOODS YARD ONLY......inverted it might fit to the right of the minories plan....access for the goods yard is via an over [road] bridge to a sector plate fiddle yard...but could equally be via the minories coal yard [as a shunting neck].....with the goods yard placed in front of your hidden fiddle yard????

If Mr IR or Doug is ok with the above, I can scan the goods yard too.....it's a little gem, with an outside single slip....and a tandem turnout to add simple sophistication..ie a focal point {?}

MR 45' sleeper spacing all resolved and included in the Templot process now.

Here are the first pass at the nearly finished track plans. Please understand that at 3.3m long this was never going to look very pretty but it gives an idea of where it is all at. For scale reference the loco shown is a Bachmann Jubilee (Australia - of course) indicating that the head shunt at the end of what is the main platform has sufficient space for even a Duchess and probably the largest f any loco likely to have ever been near a MR branch line in the Peak District like this! Tongue removed from cheek now!







These prints were done on a large plotter at my work and were taken from a true size pdf that Martin at Templot helped create. Once final timber shoving is finished this will be off to the laser cutters for the whole layout to be created in laser cut ply wood and then it is on to the track building stage.

I may well still look at the elevated station building as suggested by Alistair. Easy to play with given it is just plain track. Does give me the option to extend the layout when a new house allows.