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A group build....

40574 Views 327 Replies 36 Participants Last post by  Ruffnut Thorston
A few people have suggested another group build, so here's what I'm suggesting

We take a basic Dapol kit like this:

and build it, no racing ahead just take the kit and we discuss a) how to build it, b)how to improve it, c) weathering and finishing, and possibly d) fitting into the landscape.

I picked the building above for two reasons, firstly it's a very simple kit, and secondly it's widely available.

So, who's going to join in?

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QUOTE (David Todd @ 1 Apr 2013, 07:20) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Which reminds me - progress report on .......7113 ?...........

Gone to ground (as usual, when you want him).
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QUOTE Gone to ground

Oh, (Sorry,O/T), if I remember from a post of his months ago,he said he would be walking an old East Railway line,over the Easter period........
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Having had it pointed out that I had left off a sink drain pipe I have been thinking of all the other things that can be seen on the outside of a house and which ones can be used to set approximate dates. This is what I have come up with so far

Balanced flue for central heating boiler - 1970s onwards
Cooker hood vent - 1980s onward
Gas and electricity meter box - don' t know this one or if they are retro fitted to old houses
Newer gas and electricity meter box set in the wall - new but I don't know when from
Ventilation bricks in cavity walls - probably too small to model
TV aerials and satellite dishes as mentioned before - considerable variation from 1930s onwards
Overhead telephone wires - impossible to model correctly so probably best left off
Soil pipes - mentioned earlier in this thread changed from external to internal but the vent still sticks out of the roof

I am sure there are many more and I am happy to have these dates corrected.

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I hope that it is ok if I join in with this project at such a late stage. I was initially tempted as I remember making this particular kit around about 1960. I was inspired enough to buy the house kit once again but this time it would be the basis of my grandchildren's first plastic kit build at ages 7 and 9. I have illustrated this on my "West Suffolk Junction" thread but thought it appropriate to post a photo of the children's efforts here.

I have to admit that I guided them through the process but the work is all their own. I did learn a valuable lesson for future projects and that is that they should each have their own kit as sharing the build of one kit did lead to the inevitable sibling rivalry ....... but not too much.

Best regards ................ Greyvoices (alias John)
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Hi Stu,

The more you think about it the more you can add.

Cavity walls came in around the mid 20's, but as you say, too small to modelthe ventilation bricks (probably ?).

You could try modelling those old type telehone wire brackets with the bean tin sized insulators.

Surface gas meter boxes are fitted when gas installed at a later date ?

Two types of ballanced flues - the big square ones & the later small round (powered) ones.
Hi John

Lovely to see the efforts of the young ones.

One of the things that disappointed me about the quality of the mouldings in the kit is it is the sort of model that should be ideal to give to the kids but they could really struggle with some of the warped and broken bits and could get put off kit building.

Your grandchildren have made a really good job here and I hope it has inspired them to have a go at something else.

Hi John,

Yes, a very good job of that house.

The kit first came out in 1957, so is a real classic now.

Hi Stu.

As you have said earlier, the kit is full off "errors". I am now finding the overall size to be a bit small as I try to make some sense of an interior.

I have had to concede defeat in my hope to retain the side chimney, even just using it for a small boiler takes too much room up, and I have copied your blanking patch for the chimney, and also shrunk the two side windows towards the back.

The Stairs have been constructed, and I am now working out some more details of the interior.

Placing the front and back walls together has revealed that putting a straight wall from the "inside" of the garage door would impinge slightly on the large centre window (The kitchen...) on th eback wall.

The garage length across the house is just long enough for a Standard Vangard (Oxford Diecast), but a Ford Popular (Also OD) fits even better, leaving a bit of room at the "back" of the garage.

I was hoping to put a wall across the garage, to leave a small utility room. It does not look like there is enough room though, even with the Ford Pop in residence.

The layout for the interior flues for the centre chimney is causing some head scratching, but I am now thinking of splitting the flues to come down either side of a central corridor above the garage, with a small room on either side.

The main bedroom is a bit tight for space, and I am working out how to get a bathroom and WC in as well.
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QUOTE (sarah @ 1 Apr 2013, 18:39) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>The kit first came out in 1957, so is a real classic now.

The year I was born, does that make me a classic
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QUOTE (StuB @ 1 Apr 2013, 19:25) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>The year I was born, does that make me a classic

Well Stu, certainly more of a Classic than myself!

(No guessing at the back now!
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At last.....some photos, etc.!

The Hornby Magazine "Scenes From Life" under construction version...

From a book on Airfix....

Airfix kit in a bag...

In this photo the Detached House seems to have been reversed...

Some other Airfix Trackside Models...

Another, earlier Airfix Book, by the same author...

And now... My model...

First workings...

Rough workings...

Windows blocked up with plastic card, "rendered" with ash from the fire...

Guttering from Ratio (possibly) materials pack.

Some furniture made from Cornflake packet and paper (CAD!).

The stairs are part of the steps from a Superquick Farm Barn (Bits Box.)

The Red Door is probably from the Airfix Booking Hall Kit. (Bits Box again.)

The leading dimensions of the house...

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May I send my grandchildren round to you for a few days? You could teach them skills that are far superior to those that they learn from me.

Best regards ................. Greyvoices (alias John)
wow Sarah this has t o be the best one I have seen on this thread up to now very well thought out and well demonstrated .
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QUOTE (StuB @ 1 Apr 2013, 19:25) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>The year I was born, does that make me a classic

No chance, you have to be a war baby [1939-45] to be a classic.
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Hi Sarah

That's looking really good. The Kellogs CAD program is obviously working well and the graphite replacement for the mouse is a success.

I love the old pictures of the kit from the Airfix days. Its interesting that the walls seem to be straight in those mouldings.

I'm glad I cheated and didn't attempt any form of interior, the sizes are all wrong but I can't wait to see how this comes out.

QUOTE (Greyvoices @ 3 Apr 2013, 11:06) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Sarah,

May I send my grandchildren round to you for a few days? You could teach them skills that are far superior to those that they learn from me.

Best regards ................. Greyvoices (alias John)

Hi John, Dave, Stu and all lurkers!

I have noticed something, the Airfix Managing Director John Grey gave his name to the Airfix Self Service Store kit... John Grey-voices.?

As to skills, you haven't seen the mess I make!

It has been a "thing" with me to try and make sense of the interior of any building kit I have made.

The "current" (There have been changes over the years.) Superquick Country Station Building takes a bit of working out. For example, there has to be some stairs inside the booking office to get up to platform level, but there isn't much depth to fit them in. The "thin" platform buildings can just about accomodate a small Ladies, and a couple of Waiting Rooms, but I built a seperate "Gents."

I did the same with the Ratio "Castle Cary" Station Building Kit. (See Ffrwd Locks for that one.)

Something that needs to be thought about with Dapol Kits.

Made in Wales from Re-cycled plastic. I have heard that more recent Dapol Kits are made from a "softer" plastic, in order to make the moulds last longer.

Certainly, some older Dapol kits I have (From the Northwich days, pre the Winsford Fire.) are made from a "harder" plastic that "rings" more than the modern stuff, and retains its shape.

The Airfix Kits were made with a hard Poly plastic as well.

It does seem that there is some merit in the idea to source "Old Stock" kits for crucial models, there is usually less "flash" as well....

Today I have been woring on the base of the model, and thinking hard about the interior....
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I am sorry Sarah but I am not John Grey.

The reason why we choose these seemingly ridiculous on-line names can be evidence of an inner desire to be someone that we are not. In my case the name echoes something that has some significance in my life though it would be deemed laughable by others. At least John is real.

As to the kits being accurate copies of real prototypes, they are approximations, manipulated to keep to a cost, to convey an idea. What you are doing is admirable but your expertise was really needed in 1957 when the building was first designed.

That said, I've lived in some houses where the internal layout was something of an afterthought.

Best regards ................. Greyvoices (alias John)
Hi All,

Looks like some peeps have been very busy indeed. Would say certainly in some cases the challenge of "Silk Purses from Sowes Ears" have certainly been attempted to great effect.

Also good to see Sarah has already made far better use of the kit than I would ever have managed, & she has only just started.

Stu - really like all the little details, & has been said the "sad / neglected" appearance, in particular the garage doors & missing render / exposed brickwork at the corner by the front door all look excellent; together with the detailed write ups of techniques.

Greyvoices - I would say given your grand childrens first kit building attempts pic; they will be the ones peeps will want to come round to assist in years to come - excellent effort by them both. But with the Halt's a kit each would seem a good idea, but could get competitive !

Great efforts all round, look forward to seeing the other participants builds progression / results in pics as well, when time allows of course. Plenty of tips / points to learn in this thread, which of course was also one of its aims; well done that man for setting it up.


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Isn't it funny that when it first came out in 1957 that it was deemed to be HO/OO.

Wouldn't you love to see a building come out with that designation now!!!!!!!


Not entirely sure what he point you're trying to make is John, was there one or was it just a passing idle comment?
The point of this build was to develop some participation and develop transferable skills whilst accumulating different approaches; In that context I don't see any value added by your passing comment on intended scale. That is of course unless you were planning on elaborating as to potential issues in the build that arise as a result of ambiguous scale?

It is true that Airfox Used the HO/OO label, but so did a number of other manufacturers, as the "Gauge" is the same for the two "Scales" we could make some allowance...

(Nope, I am NOT getting into the Scale/Gauge argument!)

Progress has been made on the house. The base is just about done, just a few details to sort out. (The hedges were messy to make...)

I have painted the rendering, added the "roof" over the front door and fitted the walls together.

The windows have been coloured white, and are in course of being glazed.

The dividing wall of the garage is in place, as are the stairs (with the pantry and meters/etc. housed under them.)

All this has been making me remember the layout of the houses I have lived in....interesting!
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