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This is what Hornby say about the Select Digital Control Unit:-

QUOTE Capable of controlling up to 60 locomotives and 40 accessories, the Hornby Select digital controller is the perfect way to enter the digital world of model railways. the Hornby Select digital controller is the perfect way to enter the digital world of model railways. Each locomotive can be coded with up to 99 levels of acceleration or deceleration speed (inertia). The LCD display screen of the Select shows the number of the loco or accessory which has been selected. Power is through a standard wall mounted transformer which supplies 1 amp 15V DC power to the track; a larger 4 amp transformer is available which will provide additional power to the track for more locomotives to be run at the same time.

And about the Elite Digital Control Unit:-

QUOTE For those who wish to take their train control to a new and advanced level, the Hornby Elite is the ideal companion. Capable of answering the needs of most railway layouts, this advanced unit with twin control and wide function LCD screen can carry 255 registered locomotive addresses and the same number of accessories, plus a USB portal for linking to a personal computer. Once inputted and assigned, the unit will also display the names and running numbers of locomotives, as well as train direction, speed and function indicators. A clock is also included on the display which can be set to real time or up to 10x faster. The Elite is supplied with a 4 amp transformer which is capable of providing enough power to run approximately eight locomotives at any one time.

There is more info on the Hornby website.

The display has a real time clock which can be accelerated permitting timetables to be created. Only a small thing but interesting. Train speed is shown also. For modellers not used to observing the actual speed a train is going it might come as something of a shock how fast they have actually been operating! The inertia function should not be overlooked. Proper acceleration and braking so that you feel that you are "driving" the train. Some of this may be old hat to those who already have fully featured systems but to have this sort of thing available in a unit for under £100 is a bonus.

The 4amp transformer is part of the package with the £99 Elite unit. The £50 Select unit has a 1amp transformer supplied with a port that can take the 4 amp transformer if required. Hornby claim that 4amps is sufficient to run 8 locomotives at the same time. Now setting aside locomotives parked up in sidings or in a fiddle yard I wonder what proportion of home modellers would actually have 8 locomotives running at the same time? Power is needed to operate accessories such as sound and smoke and lighting and this is one reason why you may need increased power.

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Let us remember that Hornby Digital is priced up as an entry system and the typical customer may not have a clue what this is all about and more than likely will never go beyond the base system anyway.

So the Xpressnet feature is a nice to have but not a must have and its good that Hornby have decided to offer something. It does allow those who want to experiment outside the box to do so but how many will?

How about looking at the other basic features which entry level customers are more likely to use from day one.

Trust is a key word in the hobby industry among enthusiasts and certainly in the UK its something that Hornby has earned among its customers over a number of years. For that reason hobbyists may decide to move to digital if for no other reason other than Hornby have offered a system.

Lets nurture those with a new interest rather than put them off with a highly technical discussion!


Is this a reasonable request to make?


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QUOTE Incidently if you want to talk trusted brands then for DCC that's Digitrax, Lenz, NCE, and perhaps Zimo (alphabetical order BTW), these are the brands which have the well deserved reputation of being the best in the business.

These are brands that a very, very high proportion of Hornby customers have not heard of with very little customer support in the UK.

QUOTE I, for one, can't afford to make expensive mistakes through lack of crucial data and I thank everyone who is taking the time to provide it here.

I don't understand the issue. The basic Hornby Digital unit is around £50 moving up to £99 with chips at under £10. It would be an expensive mistake it it was a £500 system but it is not. Lets get this into perspective. Its the cost of one locomotive and an introductory system.

It seems my plea has gone on deaf ears so there we are! Please carry on with your highly technical discussion rather than using your superior knowlege to advise us of the advantages of the Hornby Digital system over a current 12v DC Hornby analogue controller.

We are here to help beginners along such as Rail-Rider. Even he seems to be getting confused judging by the comments towards the end of his last post!

All I want is to be simply told what Hornby Digital will do for me. Forget the comparisons. There is another topic dedicated to comparisons pinned at the top of this DCC forum. This topic is dedicated to Hornby Digital.

Once I am clear in my own mind what Hornby Digital will do for me, then if I need something that will do more then I can start looking. I am sure that others here feel the same way.

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It might be useful to remind ourselves what Hornby have officially said on their website. Are there any visitors who would like to know more about the list of features and benefits? Model Rail Forum may well be attending the official launch of Hornby Digital at the London Toy Fair and so we may be able to bring you further information later this month. I wonder if Hornby will have a demo that we can try out?:-

QUOTE Digital control from Hornby can allow the user to do following:

Multiple train control on all parts of a model railway layout with minimal wiring.
Independent control or double heading control.
Coaches with lights stay lit when the train is stationary.
Realistic train movement with each model able to be given level 1 to 99 inertia settings.
LED display shows at a glance what locomotive is under control and with the Hornby Elite even more info is available.
Locomotive decoders are simple to code and program.
The keyboard is straightforward to use making assigning a locomotive simplicity itself.
Point operation means fewer wires than with conventional control and no switches!
Facility on the Select for a larger power pack. More power means more trains running at one time!
Up to 8 locos can be run at one time on the Select.
Designed to be NMRA standard.
The Hornby Elite supports RailCom ID detection.
Both the Select and Elite will support 14, 28 and 128 speed steps.
The Select may also be used as a walkabout companion to the Elite.

Two questions from me really:-

1) What is RailCom ID detection?

2) What are the implications of being designed to be NMRA standard?

Those who may be looking at this area of Model Rail Forum for the first time may need some guidence here.

The typical user might be a father and son living in a small semi somewhere in Dudley in the Black Country with dad being a real ale drinker so simple answers in the style of Fred Dibnah would be appreciated!


Now they may not yet be typical Model Rail Forum members but we don't know that for sure do we! And if you are already members then welcome to the board!


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QUOTE As for Gary's list of features for Hornby's DCC system, all systems have these features. These are the basic standards and recomended practices for DCC, not just Hornby DCC.

The list is Hornby's list and its not strictly accurate to say all systems have these features. If we can turn the focus back to Hornby Digital and what it offers as this set up up will have been designed with the typical Hornby customer in mind. Remember that every Hornby Digital set will have a track mat included and it could be that many hobbyists start with the 6' x 4' Hornby track mat.

It is nice to know that Hornby Digital has adopted standards used globally.

QUOTE It puzzles me why anyone might actively wish to be less than fully informed or advocate that others should be put in that position. A complete newcomer to digital would likely not have any idea of how to assess any system and the great value of a free discussion, such as this, is that it raises very important questions that newcomers would not even know they needed to ask.

Information about Hornby Digital has only been released into the public domain.

To be blunt Hornby Digital will be offered in every Hornby stockist in the UK and this will very likely include Argos and other major national chains as well. Do you not feel that Hornby Digital merits its own discussion? It will almost certainly have the widest user base in the UK within 12 months of release. I would like every Hornby Digital user to join Model Rail Forum!


Hornby Digital will create a rub off effect and all digital companies who supply products within the UK will benefit. It will increase interest in digital and it will be mainstream which it has never before been in the UK. Once we have the 100,000 Hornby Digital users here as members then we can discuss the options for expansion. It seems a bit premature to do this even before Hornby Digital is available for sale!

Nobody is yet fully informed about Hornby Digital and yet a few here are already declaring that they speak for everybody and that nobody actually wants to learn more about Hornby Digital.

Is this the case. How do others feel?


I would prefer to keep it simple and look strictly at Hornby Digital in this thread.

If others wish to start a new thread in which comparisons are made then please do. I don't yet admit to being fully informed and simply want to learn more about Hornby Digital. And if I learn we all learn. Lets be ahead of the game with this!


Now to get back to the topic what will Hornby Digital do?


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QUOTE You don't need to know how electronic ignition and fuel injection work on a car before you buy one, only how many miles per gallon it does and how fast it goes.

Precisely!

If a car can do 0-60 mph in 7 seconds and top out at 140mph and can be bought new for £7000 then I want that car! I don't care how it works under the bonnet.

Have any of you seen that "PC World" advert on TV over Xmas with that slick young sales assistant in a blue shirt telling the young couple all about the laptop she is trying to hawk "Its got an Intel 4 precessor with 512GB of ram and a DVD-R Writer and blah blah blah and its only £699!" Now this advert is going out to 5,000,000 viewers. Pants! I have been into a "PC World" store recently and I can tell you that the staff in the real world are definitely not that slick!

Sadly the DCC world suffers from the "PC World" syndrom in its marketing.

All I want to know is that given that I want to do X, will Y do the job, which knobs and buttons do I have to press, and how much does it cost.

And if option 1 does what I want for half the price of option 2, because option 2 does things that I put no value on, then option 1 it is. If later on I have 5 kids, then option 1 is part exchanged for option 2!

If Hornby have come up with a Model T Ford and a manual that tells you how to put petrol in the tank then great!

All the views are my own and I don't mean any offence to anybody who enjoys the technical side of things!


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Hornby are very likely going to have working development models of their new Digital control units on show at the London Toy Fair (trade only).

There will probably be one or two forum members attending the London Toy Fair so if any members can think of questions that they would like to ask about the new Hornby Digital Control Units then we will see what we can obtain by way of answers. Hopefully they will allow visitors to have a hands on play.

Hornby Digital is currently scheduled to go on sale in September.

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