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Am I missing something or has the thread, started by Gary and entitled something like 'Laddish Behaviour in Modelling/D&E', vanished without trace since lunchtime?
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Interesting, and ironic in the extreme, given the unsubstantiated inferences made by the OP.
But thanks for the clarification, Doug.
But thanks for the clarification, Doug.
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QUOTE (Gary @ 8 Mar 2007, 12:13) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>The issue was/is that there is another topic which includes aspersions and these now remain open.... The topic deleted was an effort to get something that seemed to be simmering in the background out into the open
I'm presuming you refer to Ravenser's perception of D& E modelling? (I have no interest in discussing railtours, they've always attracted idiots and 25 years ago, I might have been one of them
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QUOTE ...I am all for honest and factual discussion. It was a pity that the personal abuse resulted in the whole topic being deleted just as we seemed to be getting somewhere.
Agreed. As a D&E modeller of some 30+ years, I'm quite put out that the opportunity to present other viewpoints was taken away, in such a heavy handed manner
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QUOTE I do agree that personal abuse is not acceptable.
Agreed, obviously. But given the above, why delete the whole topic
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Why not just delete, or even just edit, the abusive post
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I'm presuming you refer to Ravenser's perception of D& E modelling? (I have no interest in discussing railtours, they've always attracted idiots and 25 years ago, I might have been one of them
QUOTE ...I am all for honest and factual discussion. It was a pity that the personal abuse resulted in the whole topic being deleted just as we seemed to be getting somewhere.
Agreed. As a D&E modeller of some 30+ years, I'm quite put out that the opportunity to present other viewpoints was taken away, in such a heavy handed manner
QUOTE I do agree that personal abuse is not acceptable.
Agreed, obviously. But given the above, why delete the whole topic
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QUOTE (M&GNR @ 10 Mar 2007, 13:29) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>OK gents and ladys if there are any on here i dont think fighting arguing and word slinging is going to be the way to solve anything so can we resovle this issiue and calm down please.
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1. I object to the inference that I'm not a gentleman
2. I'm quite calm, thank you, and I dont see anybody losing their cool
3. Let's not forget who started the thoughtless 'word slinging', in the topic that was pulled.
4. Pulling topics as soon as people start to answer back isnt going to solve anything either
QUOTE (Dennis David @ 10 Mar 2007, 10:19) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>While deleting an entire topic may seem heavy handed it is sometimes the best approach when things start to degenerate. By deleting the entire topic you are basically not "picking sides" and deciding on your own what is acceptable and what isn't. .
I beg to differ, in this instance at least. Efficient moderation IMHO can involve moderating something that you basically agree with, but which is said in an unacceptable manner, or it could be allowing something to stand even though you disagree with it, because it's well argued and reasonable. That, to me, is being even-handed
It seems to me (as it has many times before) that Gary can say much what he likes without having to think through the consequences. Then when people understandably become aggrieved and duly respond (and it becomes evident that his view is an isolated one), drastic steps are taken which make the respondents look like the troublemakers
QUOTE ...if you read the last couple of posts you could see why it was deleted
I did see the post taking Gary to task, and I actually caught a glimpse of his reply later on, but as I was busy at work I couldnt study it properly. And then he has the nerve to post this:
QUOTE (Gary @ 10 Mar 2007, 09:42) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Personal abuse is not to be tolerated however and should be reported and removed if it causes offence.
This, after calling somebody (IIRC) a 'known troublemaker' and 'disruptive influence'. Sorry, but this bloke's continuing double standards really sicken me, especially when they are apparently endorsed by the moderators
QUOTE (Dennis David @ 10 Mar 2007, 10:21) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>. If some of you want to discuss the current state of society I suggest you discuss that on another forum
I dont, particularly, Dennis, but I do believe I should have the right to reply to vague, thoughtless and defamatory generalisations about sections of the hobby that I'm close to. That is in fact a topic related to railway modelling, is it not?
QUOTE or even better yet get a life.
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Coming from a moderator, I do trust that emoticon is meant to be tongue in cheek
No doubt this thread will again now get pulled.
1. I object to the inference that I'm not a gentleman
2. I'm quite calm, thank you, and I dont see anybody losing their cool
3. Let's not forget who started the thoughtless 'word slinging', in the topic that was pulled.
4. Pulling topics as soon as people start to answer back isnt going to solve anything either
QUOTE (Dennis David @ 10 Mar 2007, 10:19) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>While deleting an entire topic may seem heavy handed it is sometimes the best approach when things start to degenerate. By deleting the entire topic you are basically not "picking sides" and deciding on your own what is acceptable and what isn't. .
I beg to differ, in this instance at least. Efficient moderation IMHO can involve moderating something that you basically agree with, but which is said in an unacceptable manner, or it could be allowing something to stand even though you disagree with it, because it's well argued and reasonable. That, to me, is being even-handed
It seems to me (as it has many times before) that Gary can say much what he likes without having to think through the consequences. Then when people understandably become aggrieved and duly respond (and it becomes evident that his view is an isolated one), drastic steps are taken which make the respondents look like the troublemakers
QUOTE ...if you read the last couple of posts you could see why it was deleted
I did see the post taking Gary to task, and I actually caught a glimpse of his reply later on, but as I was busy at work I couldnt study it properly. And then he has the nerve to post this:
QUOTE (Gary @ 10 Mar 2007, 09:42) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Personal abuse is not to be tolerated however and should be reported and removed if it causes offence.
This, after calling somebody (IIRC) a 'known troublemaker' and 'disruptive influence'. Sorry, but this bloke's continuing double standards really sicken me, especially when they are apparently endorsed by the moderators
QUOTE (Dennis David @ 10 Mar 2007, 10:21) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>. If some of you want to discuss the current state of society I suggest you discuss that on another forum
I dont, particularly, Dennis, but I do believe I should have the right to reply to vague, thoughtless and defamatory generalisations about sections of the hobby that I'm close to. That is in fact a topic related to railway modelling, is it not?
QUOTE or even better yet get a life.
Coming from a moderator, I do trust that emoticon is meant to be tongue in cheek
No doubt this thread will again now get pulled.
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