accessories & the ECoS
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Like all DCC systems, you can choose to power accessories from the track, but it is good practise to use an additional, totally separate power supply. For example, a loco causes a short circuit by running a point set against it. This shorts the controller so power is cut. This means you cannot reset the point as it has no power source.
Rob
Like all DCC systems, you can choose to power accessories from the track, but it is good practise to use an additional, totally separate power supply. For example, a loco causes a short circuit by running a point set against it. This shorts the controller so power is cut. This means you cannot reset the point as it has no power source.
Rob
Thanks Rob.. Yes that does make sense, so what power supply would you recommend? and does it have to be AC or DC or does that matter, I am at present running my assessories from the track in AC.
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Puz..
QUOTE (80class @ 4 Jun 2008, 16:57) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Neither!
Like all DCC systems, you can choose to power accessories from the track, but it is good practise to use an additional, totally separate power supply. For example, a loco causes a short circuit by running a point set against it. This shorts the controller so power is cut. This means you cannot reset the point as it has no power source.
Rob
Regards
Puz..
QUOTE (80class @ 4 Jun 2008, 16:57) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Neither!
Like all DCC systems, you can choose to power accessories from the track, but it is good practise to use an additional, totally separate power supply. For example, a loco causes a short circuit by running a point set against it. This shorts the controller so power is cut. This means you cannot reset the point as it has no power source.
Rob
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QUOTE (80class @ 5 Jun 2008, 02:57) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Neither!
Like all DCC systems, you can choose to power accessories from the track, but it is good practise to use an additional, totally separate power supply. For example, a loco causes a short circuit by running a point set against it. This shorts the controller so power is cut. This means you cannot reset the point as it has no power source.
Rob
Unforunately the same applies (you cannot reset the point) if you are using the ECoS to control your points as the DCC power bus is cut of when you get a short.
I have been using the 16v ac for powering my lights and it seems to work fine.
Like all DCC systems, you can choose to power accessories from the track, but it is good practise to use an additional, totally separate power supply. For example, a loco causes a short circuit by running a point set against it. This shorts the controller so power is cut. This means you cannot reset the point as it has no power source.
Rob
Unforunately the same applies (you cannot reset the point) if you are using the ECoS to control your points as the DCC power bus is cut of when you get a short.
I have been using the 16v ac for powering my lights and it seems to work fine.
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QUOTE (80class @ 5 Jun 2008, 08:30) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>oopse!! I had of course forgotten that I am using "dual control" for my points, a switch pannel with indication and my ECoS......
Rob
This seems to be the preference of a few people Rob and as we see here it does have its advantages. I wanted to be able to switch my points through my Mobile control so I have them digitally controlled.
Rob
This seems to be the preference of a few people Rob and as we see here it does have its advantages. I wanted to be able to switch my points through my Mobile control so I have them digitally controlled.
80class and neil_s_wood, just wondering how you achieve this.
I am currently building my control panel and want to achieve :
DCC control via Acc decoders as well as the "Old style" push buttons on a panel. Bi color leds on both the layout next to points as well as on the control panel are a must (and must change when either command, dcc or push-button is used).
Mike.
I am currently building my control panel and want to achieve :
DCC control via Acc decoders as well as the "Old style" push buttons on a panel. Bi color leds on both the layout next to points as well as on the control panel are a must (and must change when either command, dcc or push-button is used).
Mike.
I'm new to all this, still in the planning stage, and this thread is getting me really confused.
My plan is to use EcoS and I thought the idea was to split the power bus, using one supply to the track and the other for accessories, now you guys are talking about using a separate power source. If you do use a separate power source for points etc I assume that you wire the points motors into the separate source and the points decoder into the track power bus??????
Whilst on the subject of EcoS the one thing that bothers me is the lack of English back up, do you EcoS users find this to be a problem.
R
My plan is to use EcoS and I thought the idea was to split the power bus, using one supply to the track and the other for accessories, now you guys are talking about using a separate power source. If you do use a separate power source for points etc I assume that you wire the points motors into the separate source and the points decoder into the track power bus??????
Whilst on the subject of EcoS the one thing that bothers me is the lack of English back up, do you EcoS users find this to be a problem.
R
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QUOTE (randolph @ 5 Jun 2008, 16:43) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I'm new to all this, still in the planning stage, and this thread is getting me really confused.
My plan is to use EcoS and I thought the idea was to split the power bus, using one supply to the track and the other for accessories, now you guys are talking about using a separate power source. If you do use a separate power source for points etc I assume that you wire the points motors into the separate source and the points decoder into the track power bus??????
Whilst on the subject of EcoS the one thing that bothers me is the lack of English back up, do you EcoS users find this to be a problem.
R
Is this ESU Site any use to you:ESU Website?
By the way, buy their decoder tester, every dcc layout should have one!
Cheers,
Hugh
My plan is to use EcoS and I thought the idea was to split the power bus, using one supply to the track and the other for accessories, now you guys are talking about using a separate power source. If you do use a separate power source for points etc I assume that you wire the points motors into the separate source and the points decoder into the track power bus??????
Whilst on the subject of EcoS the one thing that bothers me is the lack of English back up, do you EcoS users find this to be a problem.
R
Is this ESU Site any use to you:ESU Website?
By the way, buy their decoder tester, every dcc layout should have one!
Cheers,
Hugh
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QUOTE (miksterr @ 5 Jun 2008, 20:55) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>80class and neil_s_wood, just wondering how you achieve this.
I am currently building my control panel and want to achieve :
DCC control via Acc decoders as well as the "Old style" push buttons on a panel. Bi color leds on both the layout next to points as well as on the control panel are a must (and must change when either command, dcc or push-button is used).
Mike.
David (DWB) was aiming to do this and did a thread on how to wire this some time ago. Fulgurex point motor control
QUOTE My plan is to use EcoS and I thought the idea was to split the power bus, using one supply to the track and the other for accessories, now you guys are talking about using a separate power source. If you do use a separate power source for points etc I assume that you wire the points motors into the separate source and the points decoder into the track power bus??????
A points decoder has two inputs for current, a set for the track DCC power bus and a separate input for an external power source. It may help to look at some instruction manuals for the Lenz LS150 or the LDT S-DEc-4 to see how these are wired. Diagrams are usually better than words for these things.
QUOTE Whilst on the subject of EcoS the one thing that bothers me is the lack of English back up, do you EcoS users find this to be a problem.
Yes this is the main down side to the ECoS however there are a lot more English speaking people using the ECoS now than when I initialy started with it. When I first got mine I had to translate everything from German using the google language function. Now you have the benefit of the findings of English speaking ECoS users whereas when I started there was no-one to ask. If you ask questions on the ESU Forum in English you will get an answer in English. There is also an English language yahoo users group which you may find helpful. I have to say that I have learnt an amazing amount of technical German though.
I am currently building my control panel and want to achieve :
DCC control via Acc decoders as well as the "Old style" push buttons on a panel. Bi color leds on both the layout next to points as well as on the control panel are a must (and must change when either command, dcc or push-button is used).
Mike.
David (DWB) was aiming to do this and did a thread on how to wire this some time ago. Fulgurex point motor control
QUOTE My plan is to use EcoS and I thought the idea was to split the power bus, using one supply to the track and the other for accessories, now you guys are talking about using a separate power source. If you do use a separate power source for points etc I assume that you wire the points motors into the separate source and the points decoder into the track power bus??????
A points decoder has two inputs for current, a set for the track DCC power bus and a separate input for an external power source. It may help to look at some instruction manuals for the Lenz LS150 or the LDT S-DEc-4 to see how these are wired. Diagrams are usually better than words for these things.
QUOTE Whilst on the subject of EcoS the one thing that bothers me is the lack of English back up, do you EcoS users find this to be a problem.
Yes this is the main down side to the ECoS however there are a lot more English speaking people using the ECoS now than when I initialy started with it. When I first got mine I had to translate everything from German using the google language function. Now you have the benefit of the findings of English speaking ECoS users whereas when I started there was no-one to ask. If you ask questions on the ESU Forum in English you will get an answer in English. There is also an English language yahoo users group which you may find helpful. I have to say that I have learnt an amazing amount of technical German though.
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