an update on my bench.

Ok time for an update.

The bollections for the silver jubilee arrived!!


They were promptly fitted. They went on well. This job would have been much easier if i had a resistance soldering iron but i dont so i had to do it the old fasioned way. This is one of those jobs where the resistance irons really stand out.
i have also put the bollections on the resteraunt third sides but it was getting very late and i had an early start this morning. I hope to get at least 2 of the SJ triplet on their bogies tonight.


Peter

QUOTE (pedromorgan @ 27 Feb 2008, 08:26) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Ok time for an update.

The bollections for the silver jubilee arrived!!


They were promptly fitted. They went on well. This job would have been much easier if i had a resistance soldering iron but i dont so i had to do it the old fasioned way. This is one of those jobs where the resistance irons really stand out.
i have also put the bollections on the resteraunt third sides but it was getting very late and i had an early start this morning. I hope to get at least 2 of the SJ triplet on their bogies tonight.


Peter

Any update ??

Mick

Hello Mick

Yes sure.
I have completed the brasswork on 2/3 of the triplet and its looking good.
I had plans to do an etched brass roof for it but i now have the roof and it just isnt going to work. On some coaches it ooks really good but on this one it didnt. the cantrail was all wrong and the roof had to come down untill it was resting on the top of the window bollections and there was soo little brass left to solder.

Anyway, the extruded aluminium roofs that are fairly readily available (MJT/Comet etc..) fit perfectly and i was ging to get several at ally pally, but none of the stands that would have had the item were present.

I had it going round the clubs test track last night and it was running very nicely. it is quite cclose coupled though and i think i may have to draw and include some longer coupling eyes. this was only last night and i havent really thought about it since.

Here are some pictures i took last night before taking it to the club. please note that its only on accomodation bogies i had lying around my bench.




The next step is to sort the roofs and to make the corrections to the artwork. one thing i have noted is that with the aluminium roof the internal partitions in the kitchine car are too tall and foul the roof. this will also need to be sorted.

As with many of these things, priority has to go to the things that make mooney and we dont actually have any firm orders for the SJ. the 4DD has several orders and we are trying to get it produced in time for chatham.

As for the rest of my bench. i have been doing a bullied coach for a friend. This is awaiting the transfers from fox and a squirt of gloss varnish. I am very pleased with the paint so far.


I have 3 night ferrys on the go


4GNR matchboard cars. these are D&S kits and they seem to be going together well (once you get rid the instructions!!).



A couple of my cornish Riv coaches have recieved their first coat of etch primer. I need to get some clarification on the roof ribs. i am not quite sure how i am goint to do them yet or even if they were clear enough to even bother with.


3 more night ferry's. They are awaiting a couple more of the strips that go along the side and roof vents.


I seem to have collected a large number of bits and pieces over the last couple of years and i decided to put some of them together and make some coaches. these are long term projects that will get done when i feel like it.
Here is an LMS P3 kitching car (of the top of my head i think it was D1982)


And another LMS coach. this time a P1. i am so pleased with the lining!!



Peter

Hello Martin

Progress has been slow on the jubileee kits because of the other things i have been doing, but they are going together nicely. there are lots of alterations to do but they are not difficult ones, just time consuming.

The full consist was (drum roll please!)
Brake first - Semi open first (twin)
Resteraunt first - Kitchine car - Third resteraunt (triplet)
Corridor third - Brake third (twin) - this twin was later aumented with another third to make it a triplet.

By far the most complex bit is the kitchine triplet. that is why i have been working on that one.

As for price, i really have no idea. i dont handle that side of things. i am just a designer (sorry!).

Part of the problem with the alterations is that i didnt do the origional drawings. many of us have our own styles and i think my style makes it very easy to make alterations.

I lined the other half of the LMS coach last night.

Peter

QUOTE (pedromorgan @ 4 Apr 2008, 16:06) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Here is an LMS P3 kitching car (of the top of my head i think it was D1982) And another LMS coach. this time a P1. i am so pleased with the lining!!



Peter

***As you should be peter, its very well done. Nice work indeed, and a nice prototype choice too...

(1) What are you using for lining on the P2 LMS coaches? Pen, brush, pressfix or decal?
(2) Is that P2 a Comet Kit? Jeff could do with a couple more good images of well built coaches for his website.

You should take the next step - It needs some good young heads like yours at the sharp end of the cottage industry area - if you are designing the kits, do the etches and sell them.... I'll happily stock a few of the right diagrammes for my own use and others....

You are inspiring me to get into the very large drawer of coach kits I've been procrastinating on!!

Richard

Hello Richard

Its actually a P1.
The sides are from 247. the ends are some very old ones that actually dont fit properly (they were designed for a wodden roof but i will fill the gap with something), its sitting on a comet chassis and i havent bought any bogies for it yet! the bogie bosses i have used are the 247 ones as i dont like the comet ones.

The lining is done with a bob moore lining pen. i tend to differ with other coach builders on this. they put all 3 lines on the beading where my yellow lines are sitting on the panel. they say theirs is better, but really we are all wrong, it should sit on the corner of the beading which is really not practical. who who is to say that their artistic licence is any better than mine!??

I havent ventured into P2 yet. i have some ont he drawing board but not far along. i have this idea of using the bob moore but etching a stencil for each type of coach i produce.

I have asked the comet chap if i could be added to their list of builders but he needs a couple more images of comet kits i have built. i am actually only on my second comet (the bullied pictured above). so i am sure it will come with time. i would be only too happy to have a picture of it on his website.

I have been designing some P1 stock for myself. I am trying to make it as easy to produce as possible with pop through hinges and bollections all on one piece.
The test etches are fantastic. but i have used a comet chassis as its very good and i dont see any point in changing it.

I would love to know what is in this big drawer of coach kits!!??!!

Peter

P.S. out of interest, which diagrammes would you prefer? i tend to concentrate on things that look pretty or nice and uniform. i totally understand that this is far from prototypical!!

***Hi Peter

answers in text:

i havent bought any bogies for it yet! the bogie bosses i have used are the 247 ones as i dont like the comet ones.

***Try the bill bedford bogies - the best of all I think, and they go together really nicely.

The lining is done with a bob moore lining pen. i tend to differ with other coach builders on this. they put all 3 lines on the beading where my yellow lines are sitting on the panel. they say theirs is better, but really we are all wrong, it should sit on the corner of the beading which is really not practical. who who is to say that their artistic licence is any better than mine!??

***I've had some decals done for it to try to replicate the "yellow on the edge" but I've not used them yet... I suspect it'll be so much of a pain in the *** that I'll go back to a pen.

I havent ventured into P2 yet. i have some ont he drawing board but not far along. i have this idea of using the bob moore but etching a stencil for each type of coach i produce.

I have asked the comet chap if i could be added to their list of builders but he needs a couple more images of comet kits i have built. i am actually only on my second comet (the bullied pictured above). so i am sure it will come with time. i would be only too happy to have a picture of it on his website.

I have been designing some P1 stock for myself. I am trying to make it as easy to produce as possible with pop through hinges and bollections all on one piece.
The test etches are fantastic. but i have used a comet chassis as its very good and i dont see any point in changing it.

***I agree - the comet chassis is hassle free and works, so why reinvent the wheel

I would love to know what is in this big drawer of coach kits!!??!!

***Lots: Actually a big drawer plus a big box - the box contains literally dozens of Punched alloy bodies, mostly Staniers, that I picked up for very little money. The pickof the drawer is the complete LNWR Royal rain set + a couple more to match - about 12 to do... mostly clerestory with inset end doors - lots of work. The big weakness of these is the ends which are pretty poor - Do you know if anyone does nice quality ends for LNWR stock of that period (12 wheel crerestory and converted clerestory of both 8'6 and 9' width). The drawer also includes a wide selection of mostly Comet stuff, with a couple of 247 and phoenix kits too... plus dozens of bogies & lots of other detail parts for coaches etc. The truth is its years since I took an inventory of it!

P.S. out of interest, which diagrammes would you prefer? i tend to concentrate on things that look pretty or nice and uniform. i totally understand that this is far from prototypical!!
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***Love the P2 sleepers, restaurants+ anciliary restaurant stock such as kitchen + 3rd vestibules and the large window stock - elegant travel at its best....

Rivarossi did the large window firsts beautifully in "quasi HO". If you think Royal Scot / midday Scot in the mid 30's and then add a few of the more interesting formations of the late midland/regional trains that'd cover it... I simply love the panelled livery. I'd like a couple of correct Derby based "Midland type" Pullmans / usually 12 wheeled coaches as transferred to the LMS/banished North after the grouping too.... Not that they were all that different in structure to the LNER inheritances... but they'd look so much nicer in lined Crimson Lake .

Regards

Richard

Good morning richard

Thanks for the advice. i will give the bedford bogies a go. i believe he will be at railex so i will get some then. that coach has been sitting there in primer since christmas waiting for ally pally for the paint so a bit longer wont do it any harm.

I have seen the yellow done by doing thick yellow lines first then putting a single black line down the centre covering up half of each yellow line.
Its still a comprimise and mine is a hell of alot easier to do!

I have been gradually collecting drawings of the 12 wheelers. i quite fancy some for myself. i recently did some GWR drednoughts and they also have vestibule ends. its given me lots of good ideas about how it could be done.

For me the trouble with the clerestory stock is the ends of the clerestory. where it tapers down to meet the roof. especially difficult is the royal clerestory. i have never really felt that a casting was satisfactory but i cant think of any other way of doing it. also many people just use a strip for the top of the clerestory. it has no curvature and i dont think it really looks right.

I wil have a look at the books at the diagrams you suggest.
Do you mean the midland pullmans? the american stle ones?

Peter

QUOTE (pedromorgan @ 6 Apr 2008, 16:10) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Good morning richard

Do you mean the midland pullmans? the american stle ones?

Peter

**Hi Peter

No, the US ones are nice but a little to early for me to use...

I mean the last ones built for/used on the Midland contact with Pullman and inherited by the LMS - very much similar to the Pullmans as per down south and in LNER use I think.... I could be wrong or it may just be on the restaurant versions but but I am sure that the images I have seen had a 6 wheel bogie.

Window diagramme/profiles I saw in photo's not so different to hornby matchboard types from memory. I think they were actually bought out by LMS rather than continue the Pullman contract and sent North, spending their final years almost exclusively in Scotland under LMS management not Pullmans, and certainly in standard LMS liveries...

Richard

No new pictures today but i thought it was time for an update.

I have done alot of work on the lms coach. it how has its transfers and is looking even more beautifull than it was before! i am still not quite sure what to do with the roof. the real thing was 2 tone which i think looks unnatractive. i think i will just do mine a simple grey.

I have also been doing work on the Bullied coach that is a comission from a friend. after some help from members of this forum i got the correct transfers from fox for the lining. i am really pleased with the finish on it. i am sure the customer will be pleased. i am hopeing to have this one finished for Chatham.

I am also working on an LSWR G6 in O gauge for a friend. Its a Gibson model which is very nice but is made from extremly thick and hard brass which i hate. its like trying to work with armour plate!

The cornish Riv coach is looking fantastic. i really never thought that the small heap of punched aluminium would build into a respectable coach but it has and i am very pleased with it. all the roof ribs are on thanks to some drawings of the super saloons in an old RM showing the positioning of the roof ribs in relation to the windows.

Peter

Well i have been working hard on a couple of my projects.

I want to get the Bullied done for railex. I was aiming for Chatham but its comming along nicely and I think I can get it done for railex. The sides have been painted and transfered and lined and lettered. and varnished. They need another coat of satin varninsh but I need to paint the ends first.

The interior is also comming along nicely. the corridor partition was a bit of a pain. it is only spaced for 3rd class coaches so for this first i had to seperate the parts and put little spacers in. the finished result is ok. this will be painted just as soon as i can figure out which colour it is supposed to be.


My latest comission is an O gauge LSWR G6. this is the gibson kit. I have made a good start.


I did the transfers on the LMS P1. I got some HMRS transfers at ally pally and the letters and numbers were great. Unfortunatly the colours were not lined up properly and the emblems are unusable. The yellow disc is not lined up with the lettering. a real shame. I am hopeing to get them swapped.


Peter