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QUOTE (Beekeeper @ 11 Nov 2007, 21:21) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Hi
Just joind the forum but did post as a guest regarding an archangel prince of wales ,a web link on a reply to that post gave me an address and telephone number for the makers steward browne
Unfortunatly they have not responded to a letter and no one answers the telephone
Since then I have found some info on the engine but I am a complete novice with steam
can anyone help with the following
On the left floor of the cab there is a vertical tube with a cap and a thin pipe with a small hole running through it I assume this is an oiler ,if this is right what sort of oil should be in this and how far up the tube
I feel a bit daft in asking this but how do I get the burners to burn properly ,I light them and they burn for a few seconds and die down as though they are short of air
The details I have been able to obtain reads side water tanks with hand pump ,air tank ??? what or where is the air tank
Thanks for any help

Hi Beekeeper, welcome to the forum. Re Archangel locos; They were one of the first manufacturers of successful 16mm scale Narrow Gauge live steam locomotives when I was young and it was always my ambition to own one! They ceased manufacture as such some years ago but Stuart Browne has recently been hand building more or less to commission. His present website gives an address and two 'phone numbers. As he may be attending Exhibitions etc I suggest trying his mobile.
Under no circumstances use Motor Car Oil - this contains additives that will clog up cylinders and steam lines. I suggest a medium or even thick Steam Oil and taken up to the level of the thin pipe and the hole. Steam (especially if superheated or the steam line to the cylinders passes through the burner which is a sort of superheating I suppose) is over 100 degrees, they are not little toys like Mamods! The boiler pressure I seem to remember was higher than most other makes, around 70psi (most others are 30/40psi) and the safety valves tend to let out the most impressive 'raspberry' I have ever heard from a loco of this size.
It is essential that you remove and test that the safety valve has not jammed if it has not been used for some time as calcium or rust can build up and dont stand over it either, if the steam plume from the valve hits you in the face you will not be too happy!
If you live in a hard-water area I suggest you use de-ionised or distilled water (or in my case de-humidifier waste water).
I presume it is meths fired as it was once the most common method in which case the burner problem is either meths not reaching the burner ie a blockage somewhere or the wicks are knackered and need replacing. It has just occurred to me, is this 'internally fired' ie. it has a single internal tube through the boiler that the burner is in - if it is it needs a 'blower' on the chimney to provide a draught to supply air to it when raising steam. If it is a 'pot boiler' which has no boiler tube and the burner is beneath the boiler then the previous comment applies. If it is gas-fired then a blockage in the system is likely but it is possible that the jet is partially blocked or needs adjustment.
The hand pump should be useful in topping up the boiler during running (in steam) do you actually have the detachable lever which operates it - the actual pump usually sits in the tank covered with water.
I would suggest that you do have a look at the 16mm Narrow Gauge Modellers main website as this will lead you to a very friendly bunch of people who will be able to provide you with much more information. It is always worth checking out your local group as we all enjoy meeting newcomers to our hobby and helping each other out with advice (and looking at the size of my response I am no different).
The O Gauge Guild may be able to help but the Locomotive that you have is a 16mm/ft scale; 32mm gauge model of a Welsh Narrow Gauge Locomotive (Welshpool & Llanfair?), the O gauge people sometimes regard us 16mm Narrow Gauge modellers as a bit odd!
David Y

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QUOTE (Beekeeper @ 14 Nov 2007, 23:49) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Thanks for all the Info...

..Is the blower (sucker I suppose) something which is readily available or can I just use a small ,cooling fan from a computer CPU heat sink ,
I dont have the tool to operate the pump but I pumped some water in using a small tube as a handle before I tried lighing it, the pump seems to be the only way to fill the boiler and as far as I can see there is no way of draining it
local clubs may be a problem ,the nearest would appear to be about 40 miles away but there is a model rail fair at Lincoln show ground in a couple of weeks ,might have the engine running by then and looking for track, with a bit of luck
Thanks again for all the help
Regards Peter

Hi - To fill the boiler faster from cold I think you may have to unscrew one of the fittings from the top of the boiler often the safety valve.
Yes a sucker would be a better name really! A computer fan might be OK but I am doubtful. Something metal would be much better as I dont think the plastics used will cope with the heat. It needs to have a short tube attached which will slide into the chimney fairly snugly. when you have a little pressure up remove the electric blower (without burning yourself) & the loco may have a steam blower to take over. When you start running turn the steam blower off as the exhaust blast replaces it - just like the real thing. Its easer to demonstrate than describe.
If you can find a 16mm Association group even 40 miles away, you might find that some members live near you and we do tend to form informal little groups to run on available garden layouts. I only have room for a very small 'test' garden layout myself and take advantage of offers from other members for 'proper' runs - hopefully running in the New Years Night!!(I think his neighbours regard us as just a little odd!).
Peco do SM32 track (32mm gauge), but keep your eyes open for old second-hand coarse O gauge track as well, usually wooden sleeper stuff, it can even be a bit rusty for live steam - you dont need expensive brass.
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