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I'm pretty sure it's an ESU chip, pretty much exactly the same as that available from SWDigital. It's on sale at Hattons for £125 which seems pretty good to me.

If you consider a standard 66 would be £60, plus £90 for a sound decoder, then that's £25 cheaper and rtr with a modified chassis to properly accommodate the speaker.

I'll be having one...
 

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>when the Deltic comes along
If they produced the prototype with sound as a variant, I don't think I'd be able to resist the temptation to buy.

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Doug, I too am waiting for a 20 class to come out. Actually I've been trying to get a BR green one since your reveiw came out but alas more steam locos came out so they took first dibs.

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QUOTE (Doug @ 1 Dec 2006, 08:17) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I'll wait for the Class 20 and when the Deltic comes along, I may get one too as they will run on my [mainly steam] layout.

The Class 66 is just too new.
 

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I did manage to find a blue Bachmann LNER/BR A1 "North British" the other day. It almost looks like a Caledonian blue but I may be wrong. I already have a blue Princess Royal and Blue Merchant navy which does make for very imposing model. I wonder how they would have looked in LMS Midland Red if the world had gone that way.

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QUOTE (neil_s_wood @ 30 Nov 2006, 09:18) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I'm hanging out for one of these too. I regret not buying one with the coaches a couple of years back when they were available. I put a Lenz Gold decoder in my maroon one last weekend so It's good it's operational again.
 

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QUOTE (Ozzie21 @ 1 Dec 2006, 12:29) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I did manage to find a blue Bachmann LNER/BR A1 "North British" the other day. It almost looks like a Caledonian blue but I may be wrong. I already have a blue Princess Royal and Blue Merchant navy which does make for very imposing model. I wonder how they would have looked in LMS Midland Red if the world had gone that way.

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I saw the blue Bachmann one you're taking about I've been thinking about that one.

I'm still tossing up on whether to get this class 66, which is a bit ugly but would probably go with the Caledonian sleeper coaches Hornby are going to do, or to wait on the green Deltic.
 

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I had sorted what i was getting at Warley allready ... But i am so very tempted with the DCC sound 66 if it sounds as good as i hope it does.

Only problem is that i don't have my DCC stuff with me at the moment so need to wait until christmas to give it a test
 

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Saw some nice layouts today but was disappointed to not really hear anything coming from any of the modern layouts at Warley. Infact, the Wirral one was almost on stop, I don't know if there were problems in the 10 mins I was there but it actually became boaring due to lack of movement. Shame as it was a nice layout.

Bachmann were "demonstrating " the sound equipped class 20 and 66. I think they have not done the best job with the 66, the tail light switch has been mention elsewhere but for me the big cut out where the roof grill is (or should be) looks terrible, you can see the 20x40 ml speaker easily. I asked why they had done this and the Bachmann rep said you get better sound. I disagreed with him, he was not impressed and asked if I fitted them for a living! I pointed out I have 5 x 66 that all sound allot better than the Bachmann offering. Still, it will help bring sound to the masses, that is those like myself with no inclination about downloading, programming etc.
The sound was most obviously the SWD 66 and the collaboration was confirmed, so all the planned Bachmann sounds will be variations of SWd chips.
The 20 sounded good, but then it would as the SWd 20 has been well received by most I know, though he did not run it much.

I asked to see the Howes 60 run as they had sold out of 60 chips. I was sent to the Digitrax stand and introduced to "Brian" who I was told did the recordings. This I will point out is not the "Brian" I know to be doing recordings. Anyway, I was disappointed at the level of noise, it was hardly audible. I guess it sounded like a 60, though as I said it was very hard to hear. Their 60 is not the most interesting of locos though sound wise for me. I will order one this week as otherwise it means a superb model that will never run!

SWd had the HST on display (plus 47,20,04,steam, 37) and though it was hard to hear clearly again, it was easier to hear than the Howe's 60. There is notching with the HSt and it sounds very good, I would imagine on a tailchaser it will be very impressive, particularly with twin 20x40 speakers (only one fitted today) and a chip in each loco. I don't think I will be ordering till next year when my tailchaser is built.

Simon Kholer made me laugh. I asked when were hornby going into Digital sound and he said they had not thought too much about it yet, they wanted to get 2006 out of the way first. He did however say when they eventually got into sound it would be when they could do sound chips for £20! I just laughed and Simon said, would you not want £20 sound chips? Yes I said if they were ok, but I think it will be a long time before we see that? I applaud his intention to make sound chap and available to all, though I note there was no mention of reducing the price of a class 50 down to £30 or the Britannia to £40!
 

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QUOTE Simon Kholer made me laugh. I asked when were hornby going into Digital sound and he said they had not thought too much about it yet, they wanted to get 2006 out of the way first. He did however say when they eventually got into sound it would be when they could do sound chips for £20! I just laughed and Simon said, would you not want £20 sound chips? Yes I said if they were ok, but I think it will be a long time before we see that? I applaud his intention to make sound chap and available to all, though I note there was no mention of reducing the price of a class 50 down to £30 or the Britannia to £40!
That would be a fantastic development if ever it happened. What concerns me is that to do sound for 20 quid the quality would be compromised due to the amount of shortcuts they'd have to take. I guess this gives us an insight into Hornbys strategy pile em high and sell em cheap.

Thanks for the tip on the class 66. Good news that it is the loksound from SWD. I may wait a while till we see what the others turn out like.
 

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Piemanlager, what UK steam? did SWD demonstrate.

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QUOTE (Piemanlarger @ 3 Dec 2006, 09:15) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>[ snipped]

SWd had the HST on display (plus 47,20,04,steam, 37) and though it was hard to hear clearly again, it was easier to hear than the Howe's 60. There is notching with the HSt and it sounds very good, I would imagine on a tailchaser it will be very impressive, particularly with twin 20x40 speakers (only one fitted today) and a chip in each loco. I don't think I will be ordering till next year when my tailchaser is built.
 

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QUOTE SWd had the HST on display (plus 47,20,04,steam, 37) and though it was hard to hear clearly again, it was easier to hear than the Howe's 60. There is notching with the HSt and it sounds very good, I would imagine on a tailchaser it will be very impressive, particularly with twin 20x40 speakers (only one fitted today) and a chip in each loco. I don't think I will be ordering till next year when my tailchaser is built Did they say anything about availability of the HST sound decoder?
I have been waiting for this for a while. I actually gave up checking their site for it.

I'm thinking about getting a second power car for my HST as the motor is so weak, I have about seven coaches and it really struggles. I like your idea of having a second sound decoder in the second loco. I wonder how that would work for syncronisation?
Has anyone tried this?
Or is it better to just have extra speakers?
 

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Re South West Digital sounds
I am pleased to read that Bachmann are using SWD for the sound. They were using a class 20 with SWD sounds last year as their demo at Warley and had a sign up to say that the sounds we were hearing were from SWD. It certainly sounded like a diesel, but how true to a 20 I couldn't say. I hope the commercial arrangement give SWD the finance to do more sounds.

Ozzie - the only steam sound that SWD do at the moment is 2 cylinder GWR steam. I heard it at the Peco DCS weekend back in June. If I was a GWR man with a 2 cylinder I would have bought it. I asked about other sounds and at the time it seemed that a 3 cylinder LMS was the next project. I asked about the prospects for LNER 3 cylinder pacifics but the response suggested that is some way off in the future. The most striking thing for me about the GW sound was the whistle. Get that wrong and I don't think it matters how good the rest is.

Neil - I wouldn't worry about synchronizing the sound between front and rear of an HST. (SWD announced the HST about a fortnight ago). When I am waiting for an HST to pass at the local crossing, each motor car sounds as an individual. The sound of an HST does seem to be quite distinctive as the engine spins up when the driver sees the green for the line ahead.

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QUOTE (Piemanlarger @ 2 Dec 2006, 23:15) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Anyway, I was disappointed at the level of noise, it was hardly audible. I guess it sounded like a 60, though as I said it was very hard to hear.

Don't forget that people absorb sound like sponges & I imagine that it was busy with a high level of ambient noise, so I'm not at all surprised that you had diffeculty hearing the sound units.

We operate a DCC ESU sound equiped loco on our exhibition layout "Saint Laurent en Ardennes" & if it is busy you can hardly hear it (except for the brake squeal), however, during set up you can hear it on the other side of the average hall !
 

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QUOTE Neil - I wouldn't worry about synchronizing the sound between front and rear of an HST. (SWD announced the HST about a fortnight ago). When I am waiting for an HST to pass at the local crossing, each motor car sounds as an individual. The sound of an HST does seem to be quite distinctive as the engine spins up when the driver sees the green for the line ahead.

Good point, I guess I've always thought there was just one noise as with the real thing you only really hear the one your nearest. I'm more familiar with these as a passenger.
 

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QUOTE (dbclass50 @ 3 Dec 2006, 18:03) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Don't forget that people absorb sound like sponges & I imagine that it was busy with a high level of ambient noise, so I'm not at all surprised that you had diffeculty hearing the sound units.

What concerned me was the fact i was listening from only 12 inches away. I have most of the SWD sound chips and only the SWD mk1 37 or 08 would be this quiet.
 

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QUOTE (Doug @ 2 Dec 2006, 23:40) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Piemanlarger, the South West Digital decoder you talk of - is it basically a ESU LokSound 3 with British recordings programmed on to it?

What did the Class 20 sound like?

The 20 sounds like a 20! To be honest, its probably the recording so far most people have been impressed with.

Hopefully, here is a link to mine on U-tube.


There are sound clips of08,37,47,50,66 and howes 37. you will have to excuse poor quality picture though.
 

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QUOTE (Piemanlarger @ 4 Dec 2006, 00:11) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>What concerned me was the fact i was listening from only 12 inches away. I have most of the SWD sound chips and only the SWD mk1 37 or 08 would be this quiet.

Very similar to the effects we have - are you sure that the sound was up to max ? A friend of mine has a BR 232 with sound & that is LOUD (large speakers) - you can hear that one easily with a fair amount of ambient noise.
 
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