QUOTE Another thing that I find annoying, yet telling, is that both Hornby and Bachmann badmouth mrr internet forums
Not in fact the case. Hornby have not made any particular comment about forums other than the passing remark in the SK interview that sometimes forum discussion can get rather more emotional and intense than the issue seems to warrant. I don't think that's confined to model railway forums, and Model Railroader has made a similar comment about internet dicussion getting rather "intense" in a recent editorial
Bachmann is another matter.
In commenting , it's probably necessary to have read the MR article and the exact words used , and to be familiar with the fairly extensive "history". The comment is actually made by Ben Jones of Model Rail:
QUOTE Internet forums are littered with comments about the company, some fair, others unjustified and some downright libellous.... Does the company deserve the criticism it recieves, do we give the company a harder time than it's competitors and if so , why?
That is a comment from Model Rail , not Bachmann. I can't call it a neutral comment , because certain prominent internet critics of Bachmann D+E products extended their fire into identifiable attacks on Model Rail and other magazines , and personal criticism/attacks on their writers (and Chris Leigh and Darren Sherwood of Model Rail were very much targets of these internet attacks on "certain persons/some reviewers"). Several of these internet critics then emerged as staff/reviewers for new specialist D+E magazines , marketing their aggressive reveiwing of diesel and electric models as a selling point. There was a lot of talk from the same quarters that modern image/D+E modellers should refuse to buy Model Rail and other magazines that featured extensive steam content and read only these new specialist D+E magazines...
Bachmann's own comments in the article are extremely restrained , compared to what is understood in the hobby to be the private views at Barwell
MR editorial text
QUOTE Over the years Bachmann has been heavily criticised by some diesel & electric era modellers from detail and shape errors on its diesel locos.
Bachmann speaker (Graham Hubbard?)
QUOTE Despite their critics we can show excellent sales results on the original OO gauge Cl 37s, Cl 40s , and Deltics. A small , but vociferous minority continue to slate these products (and more recent releases) but 95% of all potential purchasers are more appreciative of our efforts to push the horizons just a little further . There are virtually no more main line diesel classes worth producing without continued duplication. All these models are regarded as a considerable improvement on previously available products
[I'd regard the implied assessment of the supplanted Lima 37, 40 and 55 as entirely accurate. The Lima Deltic was dire in every way and I'm shocked Hornby have wheeled it out even for a kiddies trainset]
That's everything on D+E critics and the internet , in a 6 page article
However as longer standing members will recall , almost a year ago Bachmann announced they were withdrawing all publicity/press releases /facilities from all internet sites and forums because they objected to some comments on another forum about the accuracy of the Freightliner logos on a newly released loco. I still think that was gross overreaction , and the particular irony was that of the 3 posters making inflammatory comments in the thread concerned , 2 were anonymous posters with a handful of postings to their names (ie trolls , not forum regulars) and are believed to be individuals who have written for specialist D+E magazines , and, specifically, contributed highly critical D+E reviews. (The 3rd, a regular, was subsequently suspended from the forum for intemperate comment about a Bachmann 37)
There's no doubt that Bachmann have sought to press forum administrators over comments that they were unhappy about. Hornby thankfully seem a great deal more relaxed - as far as I'm aware there has been no pressure on Doug over material critical of Hornby on this forum , which would certainly have resulted in repeated complaints if it had been aimed at another quarter.
Indeed on MRF it is not true that Bachmann are given a rougher ride than their competitors - quite the opposite . Indeed they are largely ignored - I've even seen it suggested they were not a significant enough presence in the UK to be worth talking about (which I don't accept by the way).
It will be interesting to see how long and how heated this thread is - compared with the thread on Simon Kohler's interview. I also note that MRF managed just 10 postings in 2 short lived threads on the Bachmann 47 , and 13 postings on the Bachmann Ivatt 2MT- but 78 postings on the Hornby 66 (not a significant release) . In contrast another forum's thread "What's Wrong with the Bachmann 47?" has reached 14 pages and 349 postings, and the Hornby 66, only 39 postings
QUOTE WTF is outside their control? Why can´t a model railroad enthusiast expect a model to be contained in a package that will protect it during shipping, no matter what
I've seen some pretty startling photos of the effects of waves and storms hitting containers on ships at sea (whole stacks of boxes pushed over at 45 degrees , that sort of stuff) . And there are tales circulating of less than careful handling of parcels by couriers and Parcelforce (apparently there should be heavy emphasis on the word "force") Stories of throwing packets to the other end of the room as a form of sorting ...
What is perhaps worth noting is that Bachmann, both in an early BRM interview and more explicitly here, have indicated that development of D+E models in 4mm is nearing the end of the road : diesel locos are almost exhausted, they won't touch electric locos with a bargepole as they don't believe anyone will buy them, and if the 4-CEP isn't a commercial success, that will be the end of RTR EMUs
(I paraphrase - the tone is a little more measured but the substance is the same). That seems to leave only DMUs , and they haven't raced to follow up the critical success of the 108
The days of selling D+E magazines on their product reviews, never mind "reviewing as a spectator blood sport", may be drawing to a close