Bahnhof for Marklin closed?

QUOTE (steventrain @ 22 Jul 2007, 17:55) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I have access Bahnhof for marklin website but it went down.
I have email the bahnhof few time but no relay.

What happend to bahnhof
They probably went out of business as they charge far too much.

QUOTE (dbclass50 @ 8 Aug 2007, 23:00) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Our website was down a few weeks ago so I must check to see if we are still in business.

As of now (16:41) you are. Could do with updating though)

Regards

QUOTE (custodian @ 11 Aug 2007, 19:42) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Please people, be very careful in spreading any rumours such as "so and so went out of business" without very good evidence.

The Bahnhof website seems to be working fine this morning so, thankfully the prophets of doom were wrong.

However your speculation may have cost the owner business and affected his reputation and ability to trade and as such, he would have a claim for damages. Please, please, check your facts.

I ahve no connection whatsoever with this company and I have only been a customer once (for spares) some years ago.

David
The only thing that would have cost this particular owner business is the prices he charges!

QUOTE (neil_s_wood @ 11 Aug 2007, 22:46) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>The only thing that would have cost this particular owner business is the prices he charges!

Neil
That may well be true. IT is clear that many dealers are suffering in competition with greater discounting.

A comment on his prices with a reference is certainly valid. To inform people that he has gone out of business is certainly not. It is prejudicial and damaging and does render the poster liable for action for damages. So my point remains, please take care.

David

Neil did say 'probably' and speculation is definitely not the same as 'inform[ing] people that he has gone out of business'...

I don't see why we should fear liable for harmless speculation, people sometimes do go overboard in their fear of criticising the blatantly bad or overpriced! Those who run websites must know that they are accessible 24 hours a day from all over the world - people will ask questions if they find the site down when the visit even if it is 4 o'clock in the morning at the proprietors location.

I can think of several internet shops with prices where only the stark-raving-mad would shop given than the exact same items are for sale cheaper only a mouse click away...pointing this out is probably of benefit to the owner if he himself hasn't noticed the lack of sales! In fact once or twice I've saved myself money by asking, "look W, X has got a Y for £Z, so can you offer your Y for £Z or I will buy from X?" and then I buy both Ys.

Anyway liable requires malicious intent to be proven...and I don't think that even I am a malicious poster!

Goedel

QUOTE (goedel @ 12 Aug 2007, 17:03) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Neil did say 'probably' and speculation is definitely not the same as 'inform[ing] people that he has gone out of business'...

I don't see why we should fear liable for harmless speculation, people sometimes do go overboard in their fear of criticising the blatantly bad or overpriced! Those who run websites must know that they are accessible 24 hours a day from all over the world - people will ask questions if they find the site down when the visit even if it is 4 o'clock in the morning at the proprietors location.

I can think of several internet shops with prices where only the stark-raving-mad would shop given than the exact same items are for sale cheaper only a mouse click away...pointing this out is probably of benefit to the owner if he himself hasn't noticed the lack of sales! In fact once or twice I've saved myself money by asking, "look W, X has got a Y for £Z, so can you offer your Y for £Z or I will buy from X?" and then I buy both Ys.

Anyway liable requires malicious intent to be proven...and I don't think that even I am a malicious poster!

Goedel

We seem to be getting confused. If any dealer charges above the market norm, he is going to struggle to maintain a business.

I certainly don't want to labour the other point, but I certainly have plenty of legal experience on situations of this kind where a business makes and sustains a claim following simiar postings and I felt a warning of possible consequences was worth making.

David

In which case I suspect (careful language again...) that one company's lawyers will be all over the DCC thread like a cheap suit.

There is much more in there that could be viewed as damaging than people trying to answer the original question which was "Bahnhof for Marklin closed?" That of course is different to going out of business; as was alluded to earlier there could be a host of reasons why someone may close either permanently or temporarily.

I still think that the website being down (OK now back but rather out of date...), no answers to e-mails and the fact that they had stopped advertising were reasonable circumstantial evidence of being closed.

That said the advice on claims being upheld is interesting although perhaps indicates a need to get a better lawyer - I find it surprising that speculation such as "probably/suspect" as opposed to clearly false statements would/could be held up in court but there you go! So let's take the caution in the spirit it was meant.

Bottom line for steventrain is that they seem to be back so question answered. Give them a call and hopefully they have what you are after and can be competitive

Maybe in future we should say allegedly instead of probably?

QUOTE (neil_s_wood @ 12 Aug 2007, 23:26) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Maybe in future we should say allegedly instead of probably?
Like Ian Hislop on I'm Sorry I Haven't A Clue? I suspect that word causes him far more legal trouble...

Goedel