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I had mentioned, elsewhere, the Arnold HN4297 Berliner Coach Pack, which was a bit of a "no-brainer" having done 3 years in Berlin and been Train Duty Officer on several occasions. I have found some examples of suitable Locos to haul them, but a small{ish} detail lifts it's head, if the years 1980-83 are to be taken into consideration. Umm.....

These are two of the coaches in the Arnold Pack.


There is a 1st Class coach and the one nearest to the loco, is a Staff coach, where there is a ladder and a periscope on the roof, which can just be made out at the rear of the coach. This is just fine, however, {isn't there always one of those?} the Staff coaches were refurbished to the colours in the picture, above, in 1985 and in 1980-3 were still in their original Cobalt Blue.

This information is, obviously, partly from memory and the dates confirmed at the top of the page, found here:
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The coaches are, apparently, DB stock items, with modifications built into two Staff coaches. I am having slight problems searching for a victim suitable donor coach, to see if a 1980s version might be attempted. I have been looking at Google, but find it difficult to know what coach ID code would be correct / near so as to narrow the searches. The number from the above web page means very little to me, in terms of which bit might be the coach class - Salon üm 910 298, later 51 80 09-40 001-2 ), Berlin 1967

Would any nice person out there be able to assist in narrowing the search for a suitable coach type, which might get a dose of Cobalt?

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I had mentioned, elsewhere, the Arnold HN4297 Berliner Coach Pack, which was a bit of a "no-brainer" having done 3 years in Berlin and been Train Duty Officer on several occasions. I have found some examples of suitable Locos to haul them, but a small{ish} detail lifts it's head, if the years 1980-83 are to be taken into consideration. Umm.....

These are two of the coaches in the Arnold Pack.


There is a 1st Class coach and the one nearest to the loco, is a Staff coach, where there is a ladder and a periscope on the roof, which can just be made out at the rear of the coach. This is just fine, however, {isn't there always one of those?} the Staff coaches were refurbished to the colours in the picture, above, in 1985 and in 1980-3 were still in their original Cobalt Blue.

This information is, obviously, partly from memory and the dates confirmed at the top of the page, found here:
History - Rolling Stock

The coaches are, apparently, DB stock items, with modifications built into two Staff coaches. I am having slight problems searching for a victim suitable donor coach, to see if a 1980s version might be attempted. I have been looking at Google, but find it difficult to know what coach ID code would be correct / near so as to narrow the searches. The number from the above web page means very little to me, in terms of which bit might be the coach class - Salon üm 910 298, later 51 80 09-40 001-2 ), Berlin 1967

Would any nice person out there be able to assist in narrowing the search for a suitable coach type, which might get a dose of Cobalt?

Regards
Julian
What a a lovely set Julian, the packaging is also a nice bonus. Arnold Coaches and Coach Packs
Great link to all that history too. V tempted 🤔
 

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What a a lovely set Julian, the packaging is also a nice bonus. Arnold Coaches and Coach Packs
Great link to all that history too. V tempted 🤔
It is a delightful set, in the flesh, too and a good representation of all those years the RCT ran the daily trains to and from Berlin. The trains; just one of the bricks, which remained solid along with so many others, forming the barrier which prevented the Soviet Bloc from taking the risk of marching in to impose themselves, unwanted, on another section of Europe. It's rather ironic that they had built those very same barriers, which prevented them from spreading their influence into the rest of Berlin and built the resentment which brought them down. {Slap wrist - enough stuff!}

The tickets and regulation additions are a really good touch, too - a bit different to a second class from Salisbury to Waterloo.

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It is a delightful set, in the flesh, too and a good representation of all those years the RCT ran the daily trains to and from Berlin. The trains; just one of the bricks, which remained solid along with so many others, forming the barrier which prevented the Soviet Bloc from taking the risk of marching in to impose themselves, unwanted, on another section of Europe. It's rather ironic that they had built those very same barriers, which prevented them from spreading their influence into the rest of Berlin and built the resentment which brought them down. {Slap wrist - enough stuff!}

The tickets and regulation additions are a really good touch, too - a bit different to a second class from Salisbury to Waterloo.

Julian
V interesting indeed. I dont hv any N gauge (only track for a short HOe section to run my logging trains and Zillertal locos but love this pack as a one off, and as you say the reprint of the cards is v nice. What an era that must hv been 😬 PS I wonder if this pack was ever made in HO 🤔
 

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I don't have a N Gauge either, being 00 for everything else. I do have a spare 2.5x 3ft board which might be used to get a little Marienborn scene going, or maybe to just run through some countryside, with a suggestion of barbed wire and fences. It's small enough to store behind a door and might be easy fun just to run it around. I did some research in addition to the website above and came across two, East German types, of loco which were used, one permanently based in Berlin [apparently] which have now got sound, too. I have yet to find some number water-slides to match the original pictures.

The Cobalt Blue coach should make a nice edition to the ones already in the pack, when I can find one, to paint.

There is a further temptation, as the Berliner was always parked on the second rails, away from the platform, for the Passport checking, because, apparently, one of the Orient Express trains was timed through the station around the same time. Now, I never saw it, but that could be interesting..... 👴..... or perhaps I should just behave. 😇

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Well, that turned out to be like looking for Rocking Horse manure. [Which, co-incidentally, was the name for the "Russians are Coming" exercises, in Berlin, when The Wall was up, but those certainly weren't rare.] All I wanted was a 2nd Class Express coach, DB Era VI, must be loads out there, or so one might have assumed. :rolleyes:

As far as I could get with Google and a few phone calls, there were only 2 available, one at 5p short of £50.00 and the other over £70, both of which had lighting, which I didn't really want. After several other tries, several days later a Minitrix Mosel Valley, Fast Train appeared, but not before I had purchased a similar one, which wasn't quite the express one, as it was shorter and had additional doors in the middle of the coach.
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So far, so good, I know how to open the upper one, 'cause there are Fleischmann instructions, but the Minitrix, which I want to repaint has no instructions on how to separate the body and interior. Does anyone know how that might be done on the Minitrix, 15743, coach?

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It looks like 2 types of loco are involved, from the various websites about the Berliner. A Class 118 was, apparently stationed in Berlin and there were Class 132 locos from outside Berlin. There are a number of makers for them, but they mostly seem to be going through a re-issue, with no previous ones in stock, which is claimed to be soon{?}.
Nearest, a Minitrix 132, which had very dim 12V lights and I replaced them with 6V ones, in the middle a Brawa {thanks to Babs, who was willing to pass on a spare one} and a Fleischmann 118 at the far end.

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The lights can be compared from above and after replacement...
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Crisper detailing on the Brawa, too...

All three have dragged 6 coaches with ease.

Thank you for the link, that's appeared since I was looking earlier on. The Arnold coach, is very much what I was looking for and may could well get added to the stock here, when it, eventually, arrives, in winter 22/23.

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I did quite a bit of research on what is coming Julian ie as you say there are some nice models in the pipeline. I settled on this which will not make the purists happy but it will look elegant as a train in a uniform livery N Sound-Diesellokomotive BR 221 DB IV, inkl. PIKO Sound-Decoder Buy modeltrains | PIKO Webshop

I also found a couple of pre-owned Minitrix coaches incl the parcels coach, on Hattons for £25 for the pair so thats me done to make up a nice 7 car train, as I say not prototypical but will be a nice set. The First Class in red is actually shown in that link you posted in the Where are they now, maybe having been repainted.

I also concur with you idea to just run up a simple layout for fun as a backdrop and bought a backscene and Faller station as a starting point.
 

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I did quite a bit of research on what is coming Julian ie as you say there are some nice models in the pipeline. I settled on this which will not make the purists happy but it will look elegant as a train in a uniform livery N Sound-Diesellokomotive BR 221 DB IV, inkl. PIKO Sound-Decoder Buy modeltrains | PIKO Webshop

I also found a couple of pre-owned Minitrix coaches incl the parcels coach, on Hattons for £25 for the pair so thats me done to make up a nice 7 car train, as I say not prototypical but will be a nice set. The First Class in red is actually shown in that link you posted in the Where are they now, maybe having been repainted.

I also concur with you idea to just run up a simple layout for fun as a backdrop and bought a backscene and Faller station as a starting point.
That's a good looking bit of loco there and I note that it has Leds, too. It should fit in well, has it arrived yet? Do you have any pictures of your purchases?

I'm on the lookout for a parcel coach, but haven't looked very hard yet. The current task is to find some information on how to get the coach body off, without destroying it completely. :oops:

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Whilst considering some of the options for the Cobalt blue paint job, for the Staff Coach, as per the above, I had some success with finding a parcel coach..... some!

It looks quite good next to the 2nd Class Express Passenger coach and is a Fleischmann 8190.
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However, {isn't there always one of those}, It seems to have Fleischmann Profi Couplings, I did wonder if those couplings might improve the others in the Berliner coach line-up, too. If not, then the 2 x Profi Couplings will need to be replaced by the standard ones. That's when the little issue raised it's head. The socket for the Profi couplings don't seem to be anything like the standard ones, so the question is really, if I have to obtain replacements for the Bogies so I can fit the standard couplings on the Parcel Coach.
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Does one of the N Gauge baptised ones amongst the viewers know where I might find the information about replacing the Profi couplings / or what's available to replace the standard ones with Profi ones.

I am also searching for information about the shaft lengths on the standard ones and what should work best with the coaches.

All the best to all

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Julian & Reddo. I know it is not N Gauge but I do have the Br221 Piko in Ho Blue with Plux22 sound decoder and it is very smooth indeed so I have no Doubt about the Quality of the N Gauge version infact I will be running it today with a set of Piko Silberling coaches with Driving trailer today on my Test track
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