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QUOTE (John Webb @ 30 May 2006, 12:24) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>It does seem to me that as the railways compete for airline passengers, the stations are being made to look more like airport buildings, perhaps to make convertees feel more at home?

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John WebbNothing of the sort really. It's just contemporary architecture, as was the case in the Victorian era and also in the 1930's Southern Railway Art Deco period.
 

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Well bing a Geelong boy I used to commute at one stage from Geelong to work in Melbourne via Spencer Street and that certainly doesn't look like the Spencer street of old!

The roof almost looks like someone took to a sheet of plasticard with a blow torch!

Ahhhh, Melbourne....
 

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By that statement I meant compared to other buildings it appeared more like an airport than a Railway Station I never said a Railway Station shouldnt look like that Most Railway Stations I have seen are plain simple structures rarely more than 5 floors at most and tend to be Victorian Wheras Berlins new station resembles an Airport closer than a Railway Station
 

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Sorry, What are you talking about ??????

Berlins new station is....ermmm?.........

It's a railway station. Trains stop there. There are tracks and platforms. Oh? and there are no planes!

Apart from the tracks and platform roof etc, it looks like any contemporary building. Which probably isn't very surprising because it has just been built.
Victorian stations look like they do because they were built in .......the Victorian era!

Yes it may look like any building built today; e.g. airport, office block, shopping centre, hospital, railway station.


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Seeing that aerial photo, I think that it looks just like "a blanket on the ground", shortly before it gets a big dent in the middle.

Memories of my mis-spent youth. Oh happy days.

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At least the Spencer Street station is still recognisable as a station and has some degree of character to differentiate from the adjacent office blocks, which I don't think the Berlin one does.

But who is going to be the first to model either one of them.....


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Is it just me or does that loco in picture 4 of the Aussie station look vaguely familiar? Would that be the Australian version of the good old UK HST by any chance?Anyway the station roof looks like it got a bit too close to the last bushfire to me. Looks big and airy though.
As for Berlins new station it looks like an office block with good acces to the rail network to me which it probably is. Nice curved shape to it as well, wonder what the German for mind the gap is. Minden Ze Gap perhaps?
 

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I think our antipodean cousins christened it the XPT and, by all accounts, they are very pleased with them. I hope, however, that we find further use for the UK fleet - they were the best passenger provision the BR ever invested in. Re-motoring is the best option, the rest of the train was built to last!

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By coincidence, during the development of this topic, I acquired a 45 minute video, by National geographic, on the construction of the Berlin Station.
The video was made in 2005, before the project was actualy complete and it concentrates more on the office towers than the station itself, although there is still a good bit of info on the station.
It's an enertaining watch.

Some interesting stats

1.2 million kilos (1,200 tons) of glass alone in the roof and it still isn't the biggest glass roof in the world!

The project took over ten years to build and ended up five years behind schedule

Total cost more than 4 BILLION Euros, described as "billions over budget"

It's unclear whether this figure includes the two fourteen story office buildings that straddle it.

The architect is suing the developers for cutting corners on the agreed design!
 

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From what I read there is an issue over the entire station only having one toilet block. Maybe this is where they cut the corners.
Nice to see its not just us who can make a complete balls up of a major building project then both in terms of time and budget. Wasn't built by Multiplex was it??
 

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From what I could gather, the corner cutting was slightly more drastic than a few bogs!

The glass 'tunnel' was intended to cover the entire 400 metre length of platform, but around 100 metres was left uncovered.

One of the lower levels received a cheap, covered ceiling instead of some complex and horrendously expensive reflector system that would have bounced daylight right down to the bottom of the station building.

These were major cost savings, but were possibly driven even more by a desperate need to have the whole project completed for the World Cup - international showcase, prestige for the whole nation etc. Non-completion would have meant a colossal loss of face on the political world stage, absolutely demolishing the myth of Teutonic efficiency. Very political decisions.

It also emerged that much of the incredible expense and delay was due to the site being built right beside the River Spree, on very sandy (unstable) ground and the base of the building extending 14 metres (I think) below the water table! This was quite problematic as they didn't want the station to either float away like a concrete 'boat' in the early stages or, if it didn't float, to sink out of sight in a few years time. There is a similar problem on a really gigantic scale with Osaka's Kansai International Airport, Japan. They have to literally jack it up at regular intervals to avoid it disappearing into the sea. From the same series "Megastructures", fascinating stuff.
 

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QUOTE Nice to see its not just us who can make a complete balls up of a major building project then both in terms of time and budget. Wasn't built by Multiplex was it??

Multiplex are Australian! So it's not just us who can make a balls of big projects. They are pretty good at it here too.
 

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The (London) Evening Standard has a paragraph in it tonight (June 8th) about the lack of loos. I quote:

Station bosses caught short
The biggest railway station in Europe only has one public lavatory. Berlin's £480 million Hauptbahnhof opened last month. But the 30,000 passengers who use it each day are already complaining about the lack of facilities. Station spokesperson Holger Auferkamp said: "we realise there is a problem and are now planning to build a second set of toilets."

Is it really the 'biggest in Europe'? It only seems to have 6 platforms, which looks rather less than Waterloo, Clapham Junction or even York. (Don't think the curve at Berlin is quite as sharp as York!) Or do they count the volume of the blocks over the station as part of the station, even if they are offices?

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QUOTE (neil_s_wood @ 7 Jun 2006, 23:41) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Multiplex are Australian! So it's not just us who can make a balls of big projects. They are pretty good at it here too.
Australians couldn't give a Castelmaine XXXX about English football. Perhaps they should stick to cinemas.

The reason the station project was so over budget and behind schedule is 'cos the cheap Eastern Bloc labour is all over here working on every cheap nasty looking waterside apartment block in Leeds.
 

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QUOTE Australians couldn't give a Castelmaine XXXX about English football. Perhaps they should stick to cinemas.

Football is pretty unknown here, especially in Melbourne where football refers to game that is a combination of rugby, boxing and volleyball. They have just discovered it though as they have qualified for the world cup. Maybe if they win a few games it may give them some incentive to build better stadiums and on time.
 

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QUOTE (spongebob @ 9 Jun 2006, 06:53) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Australians couldn't give a Castelmaine XXXX about English football. Perhaps they should stick to cinemas.

Not true
Born and bred in Geelong (notice I said bred in not the inverse
) yet follow a certain North London team like a madman as does my wife (madwoman?)

 

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Presumably you'll be following the fortunes of the Socceroo's then? Harry "Half a match" Kewell and Mark "Bazooka that" Viduke and the rest. Never know we may get to avenge that embarassing friendly a couple of years ago.
 
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