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Hello Everyone.
I have some old Triang,Airfix,Wrenn & Mainline locos which I would like to run on DCC when I get the chance.
I was wondering what would be the best decoders to run in these locos. I was thinking of Lenz silver but am unsure of what model to use. Any help from someone who has done these type of locos would be gratefully received.
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QUOTE (TonyDaly @ 13 May 2008, 23:18) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Hello Everyone.
I have some old Triang,Airfix,Wrenn & Mainline locos which I would like to run on DCC when I get the chance.
I was wondering what would be the best decoders to run in these locos. I was thinking of Lenz silver but am unsure of what model to use. Any help from someone who has done these type of locos would be gratefully received.
Thanks.

***Hi Tony - I always use a TCS T-1 for these - lots of room and the T1 has huge power handling plus excellent back EMF at a very very reasonable cost - the Wrenn/Dublo stuff really runs well with them too.

Richard
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I would second the TCS T1, its a good alround decoder and has plenty of power for the older motors, but the size may restrict it in some of the older small locos, its 23x19x5 and has a long harness so could go in the tender space with room to spare.

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Hi Mike & Richard.
Would you also suggest TCS decoders for modern DCC ready locos ?
Also sugestions as to the best price & where to get them? You can PM this info if you like.
 

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QUOTE (TonyDaly @ 13 May 2008, 22:03) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Hi Mike & Richard.
Would you also suggest TCS decoders for modern DCC ready locos ?
Also sugestions as to the best price & where to get them? You can PM this info if you like.

TCS decoders are good for any loco old or modern. There is a TCS decoder to fit most situations. They come with or without DCC ready plugs and varying wire harness lengths.
IMHO TCS are the best value for money non sound decoders around and perform as good as many higher priced decoders.

Ian sa
 

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QUOTE (TonyDaly @ 14 May 2008, 06:03) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Hi Mike & Richard.
Would you also suggest TCS decoders for modern DCC ready locos ?
Also sugestions as to the best price & where to get them? You can PM this info if you like.

**Hi Tony - Yes, I use them everywhere I don't put a sound decoder - they are universally excellent and the goof proof warranty is excellent!

Several UK dealers stock them but the one I know best and highly recommend is Bromsgove models - he's a nice guy with good prices + excellent service - and a Forum member too!

Richard
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Hi Guys.
Thanks for the info. Will take a look.
 

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QUOTE (john woodall @ 14 May 2008, 14:33) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Hi Richard,

Are they on a par with ESU lokpilots, both in terms of price and performance?

Cheers

John

***Hi John - yes in my opinion they are.

They may not have some of the LokPilot features such as Marklin brake section etc, but apart from that when we A-B tested Zimo, Lenz Gold, TCS and ESU LP, for running qualities, there was no discernable difference in "out of the box" running quality between Zimo, ESU and TCS but they all performed better with the test loco than Lenz!

They DO consist better and have better light control than ESU though - especially on the more complex US lighting needs - for example their dimming is the best I have seen (this is commony acknowledged with tcs vs other brands)

I put that down to the clunky harder to adjust implementation of Back EMF by Lenz rather than a quality issue - if I'd spent some time tweaking the gold it'd I'm sure it'd have been fine - but the whole idea was that it was an "out of the box everything set at defaults" comparison!

Best price and warranty too!

Richard
 

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QUOTE (Richard Johnson @ 14 May 2008, 08:29) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I put that down to the clunky harder to adjust implementation of Back EMF by Lenz rather than a quality issue - if I'd spent some time tweaking the gold it'd I'm sure it'd have been fine - but the whole idea was that it was an "out of the box everything set at defaults" comparison!

Best price and warranty too!

Richard
I would agree with that regarding "tweaking" the Gold.

The other problem we have found with the Gold is that, often, on power up it "sees" a motor short when used with the Fleischmann older style 3-pole motors, even if the motor is a really smooth running one.
 

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Hi Guys.
I think an important thing is that a decoder should work straight from the packet as a lot of modellers won't have the experience to tweak them right away. Most people only want to get their loco's working on DCC. The tweaking of CV's etc will come as they gain more experience & confidence. Maybe one of our experts here could devise a chart which shows the ifs & buts' of each decoder. It would certainly help someone like me who is only getting started in DCC. There are plenty of sites which deal with the subject of DCC in general but none which I know of which deals specifically with Decoders.
 

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Hi Tony,

I would agree with that - some people will be happy to initially just change the address - "tweeking" can come later when users gain more experience. That's about all I did when I first started in DCC.
 
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