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I was wandering around a car boot this week, when I found these jigsaws puzzles for sale on the same boot.

Quite a coincidence considering the ongoing sale by the NRM, only these only cost me £2.50. The Paddington one is still sealed - unused

As this is a painting, would it be true to life, and if so, what are the other engines in the picture?

Sorry, no prizes !!!!!

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The top picture is based on the section of line near Brinklow, NW of Rugby and East of Coventry where the Trent Valley line runs alongside the North section of the Oxford Canal for a mile or so. The loco is an LMS Coronation class, named "Queen Elizabeth", in its original streamlined form and livery. It is very likely the loco could have been seen here. The canal boats are reasonably depicted, except they would be more towards the middle of the canal where the water was deepest than on the left as shown.

The other picture is made with considerable artistic licence. The overall span is akin to St Pancras, as is the signalbox just visible at the left-hand end of the arch. But there is a second section just visible on the right which reflects Paddington, as do the platform gateways. (Except platform 1 at Paddington had no barrier!). Platforms 4/5 and 6/7(?) are extremely narrow for a double-sided platform.
Besides the Coronation Class locos, there is an LNER A4 at platform 5(?) without the valence over the valve gear, which suggests post 1940s, yet the blue Coronations were replaced by the maroon livery before then, I believe.
There are several tank engines, one of which is a blue livery, which seems a little unlikely. I cannot put them in any particular class but they seem vaguely LNER as used to run out of Liverpool Street.
The costumes, particularly of the ladies, suggest early 1930s?

Altogether it appears to be a horrendous and inaccurate mix of trains and dates!

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Well part of me thought of Kings X - but Coronations?

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Looks like I need to gen up on my loco's

Good job we have some experts here.

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The station photo is surely a figment of somebody's imagination? There is an engine release road between platforms 1 & 2. The locomotive on platform 2 looks a bit like a rebuilt Scot because of the shape of the smoke deflectors but there doesn't appear to be any taper in the boiler and the firebox is round topped. I'm not convinced by the leading edge of the cab roof on the A4.

I think I'd pass on this one.

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The top picture engine 6221 is modelled by Hornby.

It is Coronation class 'Queen Elizabeth' R 2285, and one is on Ebay with a bid of £6-70 at the moment.

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QUOTE (John Webb @ 5 Sep 2008, 18:51) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>"Artistic Licence" = "A figment of somebody's imagination", I think!

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While it is hardly a great reference work ,the 2nd jigsaw has some great ideas for figures,full of life and not too exaggerated. The Canal boat "operative 1st class " might be worth doing as well .
 

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Although "Fellows, Moreton & Clayton Ltd." were noted for using steam-powered boats, the leading ('motor') boat is powered by some form of internal combustion engine, most likely a 'semi-diesel' of some sort. We can tell this because the motor exhaust is a slim chimney like that of the stove in the rear cabin; the steamers had a short wide funnel on the centreline of the boat.

The steamers only ran for a decade or three - the extra space taken up by the boiler was lost cargo space and they needed a crew of three on the boat rather than two, both factors made them less profitable. There is one preserved steam-powered working narrow boat 'President' on the waterways system which often attends rallies; sorry, I've forgotten its base location!

I wonder why the towrope is slack, however - I cannot imagine a boater slowing down because a new engine was passing!

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and don't forget, looking at the platforms in the terminus figure...

At Kings Cross, St Pancras, Paddington, mentioned above, the departure platforms would be on the left of this picture, not the arrivals!

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The terminal station has the air of a 'London Grand Grand Central Station' about it; ( as observed above, LMS, LNER and Southern types are clearly identifiable). Except that had such a thing been built it would ideally have been a through station. And a very valuable national asset...
 

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QUOTE (John Webb @ 5 Sep 2008, 18:00) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>There are several tank engines, one of which is a blue livery, which seems a little unlikely.

Wasn't one of the Liverpool Street pilots painted blue during the 50's?

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QUOTE (BRITHO @ 6 Sep 2008, 18:24) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Wasn't one of the Liverpool Street pilots painted blue during the 50's?
Yes. For sure a J69/1 0-6-0T no 68619, excellent photographs exist showing to stunning effect the old GER livery colour. I believe that an N7 was also for a time kept very beautifully, but don't have a colour picture. Both rather smaller engines than what is in the jigsaw illustration, and the GER blue was a deep ultramarine shade; the NRM's J69 currently carries this livery.
 

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QUOTE (34C @ 6 Sep 2008, 18:59) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Yes. For sure a J69/1 0-6-0T no 68619, excellent photographs exist showing to stunning effect the old GER livery colour. I believe that an N7 was also for a time kept very beautifully, but don't have a colour picture. Both rather smaller engines than what is in the jigsaw illustration, and the GER blue was a deep ultramarine shade; the NRM's J69 currently carries this livery.
In 1960 I and a couple of friends had taken our lunches to New Cross Gate station on a bright Spring day to get a break from school and to do a little trainspotting. Halfway through the lunch 68619 appeared with a small goods train (about 5 wagons and vans + the brakevan) and reduced us to silence with her beauty. We later realised she'd come through from Liverpool Street on the East London line. What a shame we didn't have a camera with us!

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QUOTE (alanb @ 5 Sep 2008, 15:12) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>


I was wandering around a car boot this week, when I found these jigsaws puzzles for sale on the same boot...

The station photo was a late wartime poster production for the Ministry of Information and is in the National Archives - Art of War.

I came across this information today while clearing up some old magazines - there is part of the original picture on the left missing from the jigsaw picture. The magazine thinks it was made to give the impression of the return of normalacy once the war was over.

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QUOTE (John Webb @ 24 Oct 2008, 20:19) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>The station photo was a late wartime poster production for the Ministry of Information .. The magazine thinks it was made to give the impression of the return of normalcy once the war was over.
Whereas of course, anyone who actually knew the prewar railway system before deparating for what may have been many years overseas service or imprisonment, would have looked at that and thought, 'Oh, things have obviously changed a lot, will I have to use a new London station instead of familiar Euston/Kings Cross/Waterloo/Victoria?' Never trust an artist...
 

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I forgot to say that the missing part of the picture includes the entrance to an underground station, so it's obviously meant to be a 'London' terminus.

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Even without the Underground it has to be London for a joint LMS/LNER/Southern terminal on that scale. Presumably the GWR entire had been bombed out of existence? That's a pretty traumatic message a returning Bristol boy is receiving...

The power of pictures is a thing to behold. I once had the job of helping an overseas visitor see the sights as efficiently as possible while in London. She had seen the 'Thames TV' logo which was a composite of major landmarks, and was deeply disappointed to be unable to take a matching photograph. Never trust an artist, irresponsible lot.
 
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