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There are several UK RTR products which despite many very good qualities, and their suitability to my modelling interest, I am either reluctant to purchase, or simply will not purchase. In every case the reason is a body shape error. Where there is reason to believe the error may be corrected, the purchase will go ahead, and the rectification required is attempted. If it succeeds then well and good, and there may be further purchases, if not then no more are purchased. Models which defy correction, whether due to the disproportionate effort required, or straight up inability (of Mr Ninethumbs here) to do the job to the standard required; are simply left on the retailer's shelf.

The prime example of this is Heljan's 47. A very good product in so many ways, but I never bought one due to the bodyshape error, particularly when seen in head on view. The prospect of a near complete rebuild of the body shell, and cutting down the chassis block sides did not appeal. Very simply it was going to take near as much effort as building a kit, with some doubt as to whether I could maintain the good finish of the model. Happily in that case a much superior alternative is now available. However, since then there have been several more such flawed body shapes, and the prospect of a better alternative emerging seems slim. Duplication of the commonest BR diesel was a pretty sure bet, but when the prototype is a less common type, a (hopefully better) duplicate will be a long time in coming.

That's unfortunate, and is something that is at greater risk of happening nowadays, with the tool development being carried out by people who near inevitably have not seen the prototype. In an ideal world this aspect of every model would be 'right'. How can that be achieved? The answer may well have been provided by Dapol's experiment of showing their CAD development on-line. However, I can see some sensitivity there, if a manufacturer feels that commercial advantage may best be secured by discretion. Any other thoughts?
 

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Great example Peter. Despite care, an error slipped through; but you have persisted and corrected it. I never tire of telling people who have not experienced it that development projects to deliver a manufactured product can be an exhausting process. Everything has to be got right at the 'hard tooling' stage.

I liked Richard's description of supplying paintings to convey the 'treeness' required of the finished product. Maybe that suggests a way forward. Commission anonymously a high grade model and display it on the internet and at shows for as many people as possible to critique - get it 'right' - then send it to the development team as the production model benchmark.
 

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QUOTE (Gary @ 13 Nov 2007, 12:54) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I have made a basic assumption that journalists are the most knowledgable of model railway folk!
That assumption is demonstrably flawed. Better by far to follow Dapol's lead and go out on the net, or find some other way to draw upon the potential customer base. When setting up focus groups for the consumer product areas I have worked in, strenuous efforts are made to avoid and eliminate 'industry insider' information from the collected input.
 

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QUOTE (ozwarrior @ 14 Nov 2007, 21:20) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>On another forum a chappie (a former rivet counter) mentioned he's discovered the "three foot rule" where if it looks good from a distance it's now good enough for him. He described it as an epiphany! LOL.
I am very much a 'four foot rule' man. that's why I am far more hung up over significant body shape errors than a few rivets (present or absent) or a tiny piping run, or any other small detail. (Not that I don't want fine detail, just that I feel it is secondary to a fundamentally correct body form.) The big no-no models for me are the ones which because of a body shape problem just don't capture the prototype's character, seen at three, four or fourteen feet. It seems to be a particular affliction of Brush diesel models: the Heljan 47 mentioned earlier, and the Hornby 30/31. On the latter, the frustration is that a generally very good model is flawed in a way that I cannot see a good method for rectification, with any confidence of retaining the excellent finish. Likely solution on this one is to use the Airfix body which has the correct form and thus the character of the prototype, on the Hornby chassis.
 
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