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Hi Guys,
A simple question.What difference was there between a Brake Van painted in Grey to one painted in BR Bauxite Brown. Were they used on different types of goods trains, fitted /unfitted ??
 

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Though there were some exceptions, brown was used to indicate a through piped or vacuum brake fitted wagon, grey a manually braked, unpiped wagon. This colour coding was already in place during the 'big four' period (shades of brown and grey varying) and continued into BR, being eliminated as vacuum brake stock went extinct as the air brake was standardised.

On Brown brake vans the guard had access to a valve to brake the train, on a grey van all he had was the manual brake. On fully fitted goods trains expect to see a brown van, on part fitted or unfitted, grey or brown could be seen.
 

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This an interesting topic and 34C's advice is spot-on. Just to add a bit of detail here, have you noticed on some Bauxite brake vans branded post '64, when the "boxed in" style appeared that there is an empty white square box? Had this been a fitted 12 ton van, for example, this box would have XP in it. I asked Don Rowland about this recently and we summised that this applied to through-piped but not fully fitted brake vans, although he could find no "official" direction on this. Post '64 branded brake vans which were fully fitted did have XP in the aforementioned box as far as I can tell from viewing many hours of archive film.
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As mentioned previously many brown painted brake vans only had a brake valve for the guard and were not themselves fitted with vacuum operated brakes. This raises the interesting point that on a fully fitted freight train the only vehicle the driver couldn't control the brakes on was the brake van!

Jerry
 

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QUOTE (Jerry @ 12 Sep 2008, 07:49) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>As mentioned previously many brown painted brake vans only had a brake valve for the guard and were not themselves fitted with vacuum operated brakes. This raises the interesting point that on a fully fitted freight train the only vehicle the driver couldn't control the brakes on was the brake van!

Jerry
If you look at later ones with TOPS codes you can see that very few actually had continuous brakes but many had through pipes.

Such a vehicle could run in a fitted freight train without carrying a guard, but only if formed somewhere in the middle not at the end!
 
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