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We're well off track for building sizes aren't we :).

You said... and I understand that '00FS' champions want to adopt 16.2mm as their gauge standard. At least in N gauge it's all 9mm rather than the choice of 16.2, 16.5, 18, 18.2 and 18.87 or whatever ............


***Yes, the insanity continues in 4mm scale!

There is some sensible logic in using slight gauge narrowing thru pointwork, but its a compromise yet again to accommodate poor RTR wheel settings by the mfrs... The DOGA fine standard remains at 16.5 with 1mm flangeway gaps (similar to EM for wheel and critical turnout dimensions), and EM and P4 will always follow their own path too. The 16.2 movement is based on solid fact as far as running qualities with unmodified RTR is concerned but will remain a fringe movement I think...standard 16.5 won't fade away.

N is certainly the only RTR scale thats managed to keep semi-sensible consistency in track standards.... and yes.... The flanges are certainly far better than they were, but all are still visibly large - I sense a certain pique in your response but in fact thats definately not a criticism of the scale or those that model in it by the way, just a simple statement of fact, and an inevitability when the market includes a mix of track and modelling preferences.

As long as we all enjoy the hobby in our own way of course, this is all just words...

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QUOTE (Richard Johnson @ 1 Nov 2007, 02:59) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>N is certainly the only RTR scale thats managed to keep semi-sensible consistency in track standards....

Unfortunately in N gauge it's the scale ratios that vary - but at least it's by country modelled. However, with track/wheels there has over the reent years been an adoption of improved standards with code 55 rail (down from code 80), RP25 wheel profiles and a slight widening of the BTB. But I'd like to see further improvements to become a sort of N Finescale standard (as with OO finescale) with reduced flangeways, scale sleeper size and spacing (peco track is a curious compromise) and finer point design - especially in the blade area where even with code 55 points the blade is code 80 - all without the need to go 2mm and change the gauge as well as scale like with the finescale OO doesn't necessarilly mean going EM or P4.

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QUOTE (Richard Johnson @ 1 Nov 2007, 02:59) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>The flanges are certainly far better than they were, but all are still visibly large

Not for 'modern' modellers where the wheels are small, the flanges are even smaller these days, are less obvious and mostly hidden behind bogie sideframes. It maybe obvious for steam era enthusiasts where the wheels are larger and their whole circumferance is generally on view - however, you've obviously not seen the wheels on the new Farish Jublee which has very fine wheels and flanges to the extent than many N gauge enthusiasts actually thought they were 2mm finesale ones - and had to have it confirned by Bachmann they weren't.

Still the overriding benefit in looks for N gauge over OO is that the track doesn't look so horribly narrow gauge - and it's obvious even when there are no trains of either steam or modern outline running.

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[quote name='Grahame HHC' date='1 Nov 2007, 17:17' post='38424']
Yep, it did, but we've wandered on a bit since. Most conversations do.

***You are right about the diesels - they generally look good and almost always run nicely too... I haven't sen the Farish Jubilee yet, but I'm sure one will cross my path sometime soon - I end up with most of them at one time or another assisting modellers with DCC installs and related issues.

I'm VERY pleased to see the progressive improvements with UK N scale overall - with many of the original Farish etc I do install work with, and given the many wasted hours of gentle tweaking some take to get an even reasonable result with, I am frequently tempted to adjust them with a 5 pound hammer :) :).

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QUOTE (Richard Johnson @ 1 Nov 2007, 12:36) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I'm VERY pleased to see the progressive improvements with UK N scale overall - with many of the original Farish etc I do install work with, and given the many wasted hours of gentle tweaking some take to get an even reasonable result with, I am frequently tempted to adjust them with a 5 pound hammer :) :).

I have very, very few steamers, they don't really float my boat, but here's a recent acquisition. I think the wheels could be improved a little (not so much the flange size but the tread width) but other than that it's almost hard to believe it a straight out of the box RTR N gauge loco especially compared to stuff from ten years ago;

 
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