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Censorship of 1933-1945 models?

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Today I picked up a Brawa E95 in a dark grey with the German eagle on the side. I noticed that the Reich's Eagle had a black dot below and was sure that it should be a Swastika. I had a look on wiki and found this page;

So it looks like Brawa are censoring their models by removing the Swastika. Is their some law about this in Germany perhaps? These models are meant to be historical models, why deface the livery of the day, its not as if these models will be misused?

I had a Dinky Stuka as a child and I'm sure that had a Swastika on the tail.
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QUOTE (Doug @ 17 Oct 2008, 00:05) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>You have a point Clive about the issue of removing something that has historical importance. If it goes in France, out of textbooks and out of the public view, how will the kids of today learn what it meant when it was used by the Nazi party?

As some may know, it is actually a very old symbol used in Asia for thousands of years. The symbol can be found over the entrances of temples in India. Anti-clockwise (like the swastika) for feminine Gods and clockwise for masculine Gods. Some say that if the symbol used by the Nazis was reversed, it would have had more symbolic power.

A cathedral up the road from me in Amiens has swastika symbols in the black and white floor tiles. (see info here) Built in the 13th century - nothing sinister there.

It's the connatations these symbols have which cause this (and possibly an understandable reaction). We have a few symbols like this here in Ireland and along certain areas symbols used by factions in the civil war of 1922/23 are still taboo.

nuff said about symbols, the loco looks astounding.

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QUOTE (pedromorgan @ 23 Oct 2008, 07:53) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>thats a fantastic looking loco.

I am working on a german cab forward at the moment that has castings for the swastikas. i asume that this was to leave it to the builder weather to fit them or now.

i will be fitting them. as i was reading this thread i was trying to think about why i had made that decision. i had decided to fit them without ever really thinking about it. i dont think i will just be fitting them for accuracy's sake but to me, that period is history. we should learn from it and never let it happen again, but i dont think we should brush it under the carpet either and pretend it never existed by putting squares under the eagles. there were hundreds of thousands of victims in that period of history. will it make any difference to anything if the swastika was allowed to be displayed in the countries where its currently banned? hiding them is not going to bring the victims back.

Once again i am very impressed with the way this subject has been discussed on this forum. i used to use modelrailroader forum where any mention of this subject would inevitably end up with an anti-war, anti-Bush bunfight and the topic would be removed the next day!

I think i have shown them on this forum before but it was some time ago, here are some pictures of the imperial war museums model of aushwitz.
its a very large and very well detailed model of the ramp area of the concentration camp. including figures. but the whole model is sprayed white. its a really fascinating model to look at. the white paint gives it haunting look but also it anonymisis (is that a word?) the figures. they are not miniture people they are just figures. they have no identity. just as they didnt at the real camp. i think its a fantastically dignified model. i regard it as one of the best models i have ever seen. it would undoubtably upset some but i would be happy to see this model at an exhibition.


lest we forget

What a model. Quite surreal and disturbing

but based on the reality.

Modelling is about historical reality and censoring symbols makes little sense.

Thanks for the photos
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