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Some good points raised. I don't think we'll ever see the end of this question. While there continues to be a wish to buy products that are made in the USA I think most have given up trying. Now as far as locomotives go brass has always considered to represent the top end and they all came from Asia so people are use to that.

I am though interested in seeing if I can lay my hands on a Gutzold locomotive when I stop of in Germany in September.
 

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QUOTE British outline layouts at exhibitions as uninteresting from someone living 10,000 miles away

Not sure who this was directed at since I have not had the inclination to measure the distance from my home in California to the UK but there is a relativly new contraption called an airplane which has allowed me to visit the UK more than a dozen times. I for one really looked forward to visiting an model railroad exhibition in the UK because, well that's where I thought trains were invented.
I was disapointed in the layouts I saw. Not the modeling or the locomotives but the layouts which i found uninspired compared to what I see in the layouts in the States. True it may have been a small sampling but I only expressed what I saw not what is available.

Even when I see layouts in your top magazines I am in awe of the modeling until I see the track plan or a photograph of the entire layout. Maybe my tastes are just different but I say what I see.

As far as timeclocks, I have seen that on many ocasions in the states. It's quite common to see layouts run by 6 - 12 people at one time, using headsets, and cab control.

In my opinion what I see is higher detail, but more fragility. Many may potentially run better but for how long. Even in some of the reports that Doug has published we hear of broken parts during normal handling or when trying to install decoders. I still get shivers when I read about the boiler cracking on his live steam locomotive. I was all set to buy one myself in Florida until I actually held one in my hands and saw how cheaply it seemed to be made. of course the other live locomotives he had were by Accucraft which didn't help any but I decided to wait another day.

I still think that Hornby can produce mush better models but they have made a business decision to meet a certain price point which sadly means I'll probably never buy their product.
 

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QUOTE It would seem that the Chinese assemble according to the instructions and budget they are given.

Bravo, this is the first time I heard somebody actually mention this. I have a number of toy soldiers that are made in China and the quality is wonderful. Obviously this is only one example but I have no preconceptions regarding anything made in China or Asia in general. I am old enough to remember when we used to turn up our noses when we saw a label that said Made in Japan, then it was Korea next it will be China. THEY WILL PRODUCE TO THE BUDGET AND STANDARDS THEY ARE GIVEN, NOTHING MORE AND NOTHING LESS. Innovation is still not quite there but if you've noticed the products coming out of LG, Samsung, et al innovation will not be far behind. Remember this is the country that invented paper money, gun powder and a lot of other things.

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Let's turn this topic back from mentioning British companies per se. I am a big purchaser of German products having lived in Germany for a few years. They do tend to be "over-engineered" adding what some might consider un-needed cost but then you always know what you are getting. I would rather pay more to get "more" even if that "more" does not always translate. More metal parts bringing more umph may not make much difference when operating small trains but I am willing to pay more for it none the less and I don't much care what planet it's made on.

I don't have a blind spot when it comes to Chinese labour practices, but I've been to China and my wife's side of the familiy is chinese and own/run factories so I know how they run their businesses. But a lot has changed in the last ten years and they will continue to change. Should we prod their government, yes of course but let's understand that things have come a long way. We've had similiar problems within our own countries, this is not unique to China.
 
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