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Model Rail magazine have signalled that they will no longer be tolerant towards new models which they consider do not come up to scratch.

In a comparison between the Bachmann and ViTrains Class 37's the ViTrains scores a lowly 5/10 for value for money and body shape with Bachmann scoring 9/10 on both counts.

On build quality ViTrains scores 6/10 and Bachmann 9/10.

The only area where the ViTrains model comes close is on Decoration where it scores 7/10 to Bachmann's 8/10.

Overall Bachmann gets 52/60 and ViTrains 36/60.

In the Model Rail news section ViTrains have stated that their next models will feature several improvements to fit and finish in response to customer requests.

With the Bachmann example being just an extra £5 and with a detailed fan assembly and opening doors and a body shape that meets with the approval of hardened Class 37 fanatics it does seem that ViTrains may have to do more than minor improvements to fit and finish to catch up with Bachmann. ViTrains do have a European production facility and whilst this may be a factor in the decision making process for a lot of people it stands for nothing with the folk at Model Rail magazine who simply look at models and make comparisons on their technical merits.

If future models from any company do not come up to scratch then submit them for a Model Rail review at your peril!

Happy modelling
Gary

PS The Class 37 has been a significant model for Hornby over the last 40-45 years in the way that the Class 08 has been. It would not surprise me at all if Hornby entered the Class 37 wars with a brand new super detailed model in 2008/09.
 

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One thing that has to be taken into consideration with Model Rail magazine is the amount of advertising revenue that is from certain manufacturers will have a great deal of influence on how a review is rated, this is has been noticed with some of hobbies magazines before.

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This is where it becomes incomprehensible.

There is a later stand alone Model Rail review of a pair of the latest ViTrains models and in that review they get the same traffic light score as the Bachmann model!

And its the same reviewer.



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Model Rail are in danger of having more spin than a political party !

Their review on the Hornby Pendolino wasn't exactly in depth, failing to comment on poor slow speed performance or diffirence in hight of power car/trailer.

As I've said before- I think Model Railway magazine reviews have had their day. The Internet now gives a full and thorough review. By promising "warts and all" reviews, Model Rail are simply trying to re capture lost ground.

Thoroughly enjoyed the Hornby Magazine and this months Railway Modeller. I'd say we are seeing early signs of a circulation war here!

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Thoroughly enjoyed the Hornby Magazine and this months Railway Modeller. I'd say we are seeing early signs of a circulation war here!

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What was the hornby mag like? any good? i get the railway modeller which is not bad.

as for 37 models, i must be the only one fed up with seeing so many on the market.
same goes for A4's etc, bachmann, hornby are just copying each other like spoilt kids.

wish they would wake up and do something not made before, ie; Class J70 or an S&D 7f loco.
 

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QUOTE as for 37 models, i must be the only one fed up with seeing so many on the market.
same goes for A4's etc, bachmann, hornby are just copying each other like spoilt kids.

wish they would wake up and do something not made before, ie; Class J70 or an S&D 7f loco

Or Desiro, cl 86, J69, ROD, 153, 105, 104, cl 87 , K1, MR 2F......

Its easy when you try. Just ask Heljan...
 

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This review being the exact opposite of the previously harsh to the point of nastiness reviews we got from the modelling bit of rail express every time even a slight issue was found with a review sample. Hmm I wonder how much input they had on the vitrains offering.

It was odds on the latest attempt from Bachmann at a 37/4 was going to beat the Italian offering although perhaps a direct comparison is a tad unfair. Maybe comparing it to a first gen bachmann one might've been closer.
 

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Have any of the reviews done a haulage comparison?
It would be interesting to see weight alone pitted against weight plus traction tyres!
 

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I have read the comparison report on the#37's.....am I being a tad unfair in observing that the price difference is really a good deal greater than that quoted?

Currently I think the Bachman offering locally may be around the £70 mark (I haven't ACTUALLY enquired in case I'm tempted...but I did get an example 'quote' when I last bought stuff)...whereas, I paid a straight £50 for my Vitrains example..( Regional decor by choice, with option of railbloo rejected)....so I expect to find a price difference of more like £20, than the £5 quoted.....which to me is vast.....and well worth overlooking [and modifying] the odd discrepancies.

Or am I a less demanding customer in this day and age?
 

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The Vi Trains effort while not bad sufers in comparisom with the Bachmann models, however lets not be too critical of Vitrains, at least they are another manufacturer in the market and hopefully things will improve as far as quality goes. I welcome anyone who can make a half decent model, let hope Vitrains keep going and improve. Lets remember Bachmanns early 37 efforts had quite a few problems with the nose, tumblehome etc.
 

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QUOTE (alastairq @ 22 May 2007, 20:24) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I have read the comparison report on the#37's.....am I being a tad unfair in observing that the price difference is really a good deal greater than that quoted?

Alastairg, I don't know who quoted you but the recommended retail for a bog standard DCC ready Bachmann 37, which is the nearest equivilant to the ViTrains offerings, is around the £65 mark. This means the price most people will actually pay will be around the £55 mark (or less).

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I have read the editorial in Hornby Magazine regarding the ViTrains Class 37 and the editor points out that the "normal" modeller simply is not going to notice the minor discrepencies and that the harsh comments seen are a little unfair given that the loco is on sale at around £50 and is a good solid performer. It should be compared to the models of 10 years ago and not the very latest 3rd or 4th generation example from Bachmann. And in this respect it is a huge leap forward. It does seem a little unfair to give a new manufacturer such harsh treatment and Hornby Magazine may have got their view right for the audience that they are aiming their magazine at.

I am inclined to agree that things have been blown up out of all proportion and the reality is the Bachmann loco is priced competively because it does have competition! The same could be said for the Hornby Class 08 with the competition from Bachmann. Where there is less competition prices of models are a little steeper.

So competition is good and should be welcomed.

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QUOTE (Gary @ 22 May 2007, 20:47) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I have read the editorial in Hornby Magazine regarding the ViTrains Class 37 ..... It should be compared to the models of 10 years ago and not the very latest 3rd or 4th generation example from Bachmann. And in this respect it is a huge leap forward.
If I read you correctly; you're saying the ViTrains Class 37 meets the standards of 10 years ago.......and that's a "huge leap forward" ????????????

Really Gary, that's Bizarre !

QUOTE (Gary @ 22 May 2007, 20:47) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I am inclined to agree that things have been blown up out of all proportion and the reality is the Bachmann loco is priced competively because it does have competition!
That was the price of a Bachmann Class 37 before there was any competition. Usually £53 to £58.
Bachmann have not lowered their prices.

Competition works in other ways too, and not always to the benefit of the consumer; for example: the ViTrains Class 37 is positioned just under the current Bachmann price point to extract the maximum price from the consumer whilst appearing cheaper (which it is...just).
What could they have sold them for?
 

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QUOTE (ozwarrior @ 22 May 2007, 02:00) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Have any of the reviews done a haulage comparison?
It would be interesting to see weight alone pitted against weight plus traction tyres!


I was flicking through the current issue of Modern Railway Modelling yesterday. They tested the haulage capacity of the Vi Trians 37, and found that it significantly outperforms the Hornby 60. This is said to be because the Vi Trains has traction tyres, almost as if that were cheating in someway!

I make a point of not buying MRM ever since the reviewer of the Heljan Western said he could not bare to have one on his layout.
I like the Western, I understand it's technical shortcomings on the cab roof, but without a review I would never have known, and I regard it as a quality model.
For that matter, I am more than happy with my Bachmann 37/4 MK1 Loch Rannoch. At the time, remember this was released before the Hornby 50, it was the first british outline diesel I'd seen with decent lighting (at least when going forwards, and I was captivated.

I bought a Vi Trains 37 yesterday, the green one 'Caerphilly Castle'. To me it is a quality model, and I collect Marklin and Roco too. It's only obvious letdown are the light grey plastic sprung buffers, but they'll get there, and it's not Chinese!

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Vi Trains 37 is a very nice model it's a good runner and its got good detail and paintwork it has its flaws, just as the Bachman 37 will have when it has been released, the Vi Trains 37 will sell at a good price for modellers starting in the hobby, where as the Bachman Model will sell to an existing modeller.

Any way if you didn't have competition it would be boring.

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all reminds me of the hoo haaa on the US scene years ago......actually, nobody seemed to mind for years that Athearn's Jeeps had a carbody which was too wide.....they apparently did the job, hit the button, so sold like hot cakes.....

recent comment in Model Railway Express re competition says it all.........well done ViTrains.....your presence has certainly gee'd up the likes of Bachmann.....and yes, the very fact we have a NEW manufacturer on the scene (even if their products are comparable with 10 year old models...I'd have said '5 years old'.....) that in itself represents progress.
 

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QUOTE all reminds me of the hoo haaa on the US scene years ago......actually, nobody seemed to mind for years that Athearn's Jeeps had a carbody which was too wide.....they apparently did the job, hit the button, so sold like hot cakes.....

One does wonder why Rail Express has waged a campaign against Bachmann's 37s for years , as if the Mk1 version was some kind of crime against humanity rather than a major improvement on the old Lima one.

There was World War 3 over the Heljan "tubbyduff" when it came out and it was discovered to be too wide because Heljan had confused the width over handrails with the width over the cabsides. (I think REx were in on that fight as well) Perhaps the only positive thing that came out of that episode was went two intrepid souls went out and measured 2 real cl47s standing next to each other , only to discover that the width of the two real and nominally identical locos differed by an inch and a half!

Back in the real world everyone found they ran superbly , hauled masses, had lights , DCC sockets and were significantly better tooled than the Lima version

The long and the short of it is that the Hornby 60, Heljan 47 , and both the Bachmann and Vi-Trains 37s are an order of magnitude better than the Lima and Hornby 37s, 47s and 60 of a decade or so ago . Especially mechanically

For the record Nigel Burkin's comments are not strictly about haulage - they quote drawbar pull in grammes. What that translates into in terms of vehicles on the track , isn't stated. The reality is that any new generation centre drive diesel is going to pull anything you ask of it on the flat with ease, and a good deal more than most folks layouts can ever accommodate. Anyone actually found the haulage limit of a new generation Type 4 or Type 5?

I just wish someone would give us a decent new electric of which the same could be said. An 86 from Vi-Trains would be a great deal better recieved than a 47 duplicating Bachmann's forthcoming model (I've seen the 57 shift a 12' long train and it wasn't even looking like it was near its limit)

Personally I'm ducking all the 37 politics - I don't strictly need one , I'm a lazy cheapskate and as I've had an Athearn chassis, some Alexander sideframes, an old Hornby body and all the bits sitting in the cupboard for several years , I'll be keeping my hand in my pocket and doing a scrapbox 37 in due course. If I were disposed to shell out for a new one, I'd probably spend an extra fiver or so and go for the new Bachmann one , as it seems to offer a significantly better result than the small differential in price. There's also the minor factor that Vi-Trains don't seem to be doing 2 tone Sector grey , and by all accounts removing the printed numbers to renumber is a bit awkward

But the big picture is that they are both radically better than what we had 10 years ago
 

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I don't have a ViTrains Class 37/4 because they are well outwith the "era" of my Layout. (1974-1975).

However, is it correct that the nose of the Loco. has a removable front-end? I ask this in case it's something that ViTrains could use to their advantage. I'm thinking along the lines of them being able to produce a Class 37 in BR (Banger) Blue Livery. eg. 37/0. which would involve changing the nose-front for the correct type. (Split/Centre Headcode with 2 dots or Train Reporting No.)
 

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The nose of the Vi-Trains is a seperate moulding so presumably they could develop a split box or unrefurbished 37 nose at modest cost
 

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I have just got my VItrains 37 and will be getting the Bachmann one in a few weeks when the EWS one comes out. I may even get the grey one they are doing as my local says he should have them in tomorrow. As long as they look the part and have got the space to fit speakers and sound decoder in it doesn't really bother me. i am only getting one of each so that i don't have to renumber the other one (not that im lazy).

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