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I know I already have a feed in this section that tells of the progress of the layout but I wasn't happy about the title of the feed and not being able to change it I've decided to make a new feed and show the layouts progress here instead.

As you are aware the layout is taking shape slowly but after speaking to a fellow member on here there was one thing pointed out to me about it. I currently have the layout with the backboards hiding where I stand and control the layout but when it comes to fiddling with it I then have to crawl under the layout to get access to the front of the board easily.

I was thinking of removing the boards which lead from the tunnel areas and placing them to the back so it still hides the fiddle yard area but it also gives me easy access to the front of the board.

If I remove the side boards with the diagnal red lines on it and then move the front board to the back of the space where I stand do you think it will work better and still join to the areas where the tunnels are on either side which are not showing on this picture but you can imagine them all the same.

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Let me know what you think and if I think it looks ok I will do it over the next few days or so.
 

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Well after my earlier post today I made the decision to go into the shed tonight and change the way of the backboards were positioned.

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I also added another of the peco sheds to the left of the depot area but this extra shed is not a permanent fixture as I have a scratchbuilt building done by Upnick which might take it's place. But this pic gives you an idea of what the peco shed looks like along with some rolling stock.

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Looks far better Kain, i was worried the layout would appear to square and angular in the front aspect, once the banking where the roadway crosses is smoothed out on its edges it will blend in well with scenic materials.
Although if you want to portray the insides of the banking concrete a skim with plaster will give the right effect, painted and weathered ?
The two sheds together break the eye and look well together.
 

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QUOTE (upnick @ 14 Sep 2008, 23:09) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>The two sheds together break the eye and look well together.

Thanks for that Nick that's what I was thinking when I placed it there myself. I was actually thinking of placing the one you scratchbuilt there but without drilling a hole for the wires to go through it's gonna be hard to test fit it really.
 

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QUOTE (harkins77 @ 15 Sep 2008, 03:58) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Thanks for that Nick that's what I was thinking when I placed it there myself. I was actually thinking of placing the one you scratchbuilt there but without drilling a hole for the wires to go through it's gonna be hard to test fit it really.

Do you not own a drill Kain
it might look better give it a try and live with it a while ....... the peco shed if you prefer will probably cover any hole anyway.
 

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Hi Kain,

I dont think that you wil be dissapointed by moving the bakboard back and getting a better track to scenary ratio.

This way there will be a better balance between scenery and trains, rather than the trains dominating the scenary.

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Been back into the shed this evening and have got the hills fixed in place and have plastered them so there are no signs of the different joins now. I will leave it a few days so that the plaster can go off and then I will smooth it off so that I can get a good even level for the road to go along.

Once I get the plaster flattened out I will take some more pics of the layout.

For the most inner line which is on the layout that will be the scrap line I've made sure there are no obstructions of the walls against any part of the loco or wagon sides.

I think also I'm going to go with the peco shed next to the depot as I test fitted the shed that Upnick did for me and it doesn't exactly look right but I will find a suitable place somewhere on the layout for it I guess time will tell.
 

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Hi Kain,

What sort of plaster are you using?

I use 30 minute set casting plaster, couple of tea spoons of concrete dye (either black or brown) to take away the white in case of chipping. Plastic gloves to put it on and smooth it as I go and its ready. I do leave it for a few days to dry.

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For the covering I actually didn't use plaster of paris I used a small tub of grout that I had lying around. I've found that for the first 24 hours you can play with it which I have found is a real lifesaver as plaster of paris sets after a short time leaving you with very little time to mess with it before it dries.

Once it has semi gone off I then go over it with the desired colour as it comes out white although I am aware you can get grout in many different colours but seeing as I had some going spare from the re-decorating of the kitchen. The only thing is that you either have to have a small basin with water in next to you or wash your hands inbetween touching other things as if it gets onto your hands it is a pain to remove until you wash them. Needless to say I have had 1 or 2 occassions where swmbo has had a go as I've come into the house over the last few days covered in the stuff.

I will post some pictures in the next few days once I've had a chance to get it sanded down and smooth enough to be able to coat it with a coat of paint or covering of some kind.
 

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As promised I popped into the shed this afternoon and cleaned up the plaster a little bit and sanded it down. And I decided to take some pics but bear in mind that none of the painting has been done as I mentioned in the last post as I've found 1 or 2 more areas I can utilise the grout to to make the pavement and ramp areas.

Here are some pictures of what I did the other night

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Seeing as I'm on nightshift tomorrow night I thought it would be a good idea to stay up a little while and make myself tired so I'm kind of in the right sleep pattern for nights so off back into the shed I went to listen to the radio and do a little more on the layout whilst the family are in bed. I smoothed off some of the hills a bit and filled in some areas I had missed the first time the only problem is that with all the little bits that came off whilst sanding down I couldn't hoover them up seeing as it was 2am and I didn't think my neighbours would be at all pleased with me so I cleaned up as best I could with a brush I had lying around and I will get into the nooks and cranny's sometime tomorrow before work so as to not have them lying around on the layout.

Also whilst in there as you can see from the previous pictures I've decided to put one of the buildings in place and I'm very happy with it to be honest. I have used it so the archway of the building goes over the track where the scrapline leads to but seeing as I didn't have any of the scrapline locos to hand I illustrated the idea using a maroon coach I had lying around. I've also started in a small space to start some of the scenics around the building with a little path leading from the building going off the layout with a grassed area using some gaugemaster scenic scatter either side of it. I will of course once the first layer has dried be going over it again, well at least the grassed area to give it some definition with some other kinds of scatter/scenic material. Even though it's just a small part of the layout it makes the layout look as if it's finally coming together.

Judge for yourself and let me know what you think so far.

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Hi Kain
a bit of greenery certainly made a difference

The landscape possibly looks a little to uniform in shape
maybe add a little more size to base of the hill to the left side to give the appearance that the terrain is sloping up , from right to left.

while the track is level the surrounding terrain need not be - the more irregular the appearance the more realistic it would look

Think back to school geography and contour maps - gradual increase in height with the railway cutting through the scene

Hope this helps

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I know what you mean Zmil I was thinking about that earlier when I was looking at it the main length of that wall though is going to be an wall and the left hand slope may still change as I'm not exactly 100% happy with it. I may even rip up the slop and just put a standard flat wall to give the effect when the plaster facias have been ordered to have a retaining wall going the length and then at the top of that level is going to be the street scene area that overlooks the yard and lines below. I know that I might have to widen the wall area as when I've measured it with a standard metcalfe card kit it won't fit and the only way to get around it is to use the half relief buildings or at least cutting one of the standard building kits in half to bring it's width down a bit.

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Before I head of for my first nightshift I was determined to get the grout down after widening the banking to accomadate the buildings and still leave enough room for the roadway as well as some other bits and pieces. The basic shape of the plaster as been put on so that the archways can be fitted once purchased. all it needs now is a little light sanding to make the rough grout once dried flat enough so there are no really bad imperfections so as to make it not look real enough.

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Well seeing as the stag do is coming up I decided to do some painting of the layouts backboards to save some money.

I used the same technique that my father used for the last layout and it's not bad for a first crack at oil painting but I wish I had paid more attention to that show on Discovery realtime with Bob Ross.

Let me know what you think of the results.

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For the 2nd shot I used where I have got so far on the left handside of the layout and I know the building isn't perfect and that there is still some work to do on it but so far not bad me thinks.

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QUOTE (harkins77 @ 23 Sep 2008, 17:30) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Well seeing as the stag do is coming up I decided to do some painting of the layouts backboards to save some money.

I used the same technique that my father used for the last layout and it's not bad for a first crack at oil painting but I wish I had paid more attention to that show on Discovery realtime with Bob Ross.

Let me know what you think of the results.

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For the 2nd shot I used where I have got so far on the left handside of the layout and I know the building isn't perfect and that there is still some work to do on it but so far not bad me thinks.

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Dont bother about details on the buildings Kain at the minute main thing is your getting on with it the structure of the layout, the second shot looks good for a first attempt
using oils though taking longer to dry gives you the chance to merge the colours think it looks fine now with the bridge painted and possibly weathered you've got one area settled


Oh using a sponge after water on plaster works a treat to smooth it up ready for paint ............ got a washing type with the scotch pad on the back past its best for the kitchen today on the layout.
 

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With regards to painting the bridge what is going to be the best paint colour to use on it? I know I have some rust mig powders to weather and rust it up but what colour would you suggest it be painted? There is one not far from swmbo's parents and that one is light blue.

I did have some pictures of it but swmbo has erased them prior to me downloading them to the pc. DOH!!!! oh well will probably pop down and take some pics as it gives me some good ideas as to how they sit over a road on an embankment.
 

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Looks pretty good to me mate!

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First let me say that I am no artist, but....

I think that the second backscene is better than the first one. The blue on the first one either needs to be lighter or more grey to represent a dull cloudy day. I don't think that the sky is ever dark blue except in late evening. It is usually light blue or darker but greyer.

I shall be painting my backscenes this winter. I intend to use an overall very light blue wash with some white mixed in here and there. I've got this idea that a pure white background would not be too bad. I think a strong colour would dominate too much.
 

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QUOTE (Robert Stokes @ 24 Sep 2008, 11:36) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>First let me say that I am no artist, but....

I think that the second backscene is better than the first one. The blue on the first one either needs to be lighter or more grey to represent a dull cloudy day. I don't think that the sky is ever dark blue except in late evening. It is usually light blue or darker but greyer.

The first picture was taken just at the door of the shed and so the lighting is that good in there but in the 2nd shot I was closer to the track as I was trying to get the picture framed right. The acutal main board which is placed behind where I stand was just painted to give the impression of sky and it does look better than it does in the overall picture due to the lighting in the shed(i.e. not very much natural light). The far side of the backboard is basically the same as on the left hand side as well.with the cloud painting being of better quality.

I did say however that this was my first attempt at doing the backscene and of course it will need some more fettling as well so yeah I take on board what you are saying about it being totally blue but it's a good base as to work from. I did actually tone down the blue from standard and lightened it up quite a bit from the light blue as it came out of the tube.

I just need to get up early on a morning and see how the professionals do the clouds in real time instead of just looking at pictures of someone doing it.

I shall be painting my backscenes this winter. I intend to use an overall very light blue wash with some white mixed in here and there. I've got this idea that a pure white background would not be too bad. I think a strong colour would dominate too much.
 
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