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Ok guys,

I am thinking of a small 4MM finescale layout, but I have a few questions...

which is easier to convert, steam or diesel?

where is the best place to get wheels, or does Alan Gibson make P4 or EM?

can most RTR models be converted, or are there some that cannot be done? same with wagon and coaches?

Sorry if I sound a bit slow...

Sean
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Howdy all, Ive been away from the computer for a few days, so its nice to see some good detailed information in reply,

In all honesty I have very little knowledge of either P4 or EM having worked solely with OO and smaller scales (N and NN3 more recently!)

Having read through that EM strikes me as being a good starting point to play with, and gives me a good excuse to try track building (with my layout being in such an early stage again it seemed an ideal time to think about changing over!) i think, with the amount of stock I have to kit build it could be time to really go for it!

Next question with the EM gauge, would that effect the size of buildings and what have you (again, I point out I am TOTAL novice hear) and second, where is the best place to get some information on track building? I have some Peco code 100 Nickle silver track, could that be re-gauged and used? or is it best to start from scratch??

thanks for the replys guys
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I have to say that Nickle silver would be my preference, i had a good look at the C&L website (thanks guys!) and the 100M pack of NS code 75 track sounds like a good price (compare to a box of Peco or similar, which you get about half the rail in!) I think i shall put the code 100 to one side for other duties and get hold of set of gauges.

Cameron,

I take your point re EM/P4, and actually think P4 is the better looking gauge, I have a LMS 2P without a chassis at the moment, so it seems a perfect opertunaty to play with a 'new' gauge

I think, given my stubborn nature I will be building points from scratch, as the layout needs more than a few of them, so the cost of buying pre built ones would near on kill me... Copper clad sleepers, now there is good sense, I noticed that one of the other track builders on hear (I think it was 16A) got some excellent results with it, and the idea of soldeing track to sleeper sounds very good, even for a simpleton like me...

Soldering does not bother me, and I invested in the Precision Gold soldering station (really good piece of kit for the cash it was to!) and now I never use cheep solder...

Keep the ideas coming lads and lasses, this is giving me many ideas...

Sean
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Hi John,

If I honest, I hadnt thought of that! Most of the point work is very close to the front of the layout (most within the first foot of the 18 inches!) so I think you may be onto something... out of interest, can you get metal (Brass or similar?) chairs that can be soldered on to the sleepers, or are they better made of plastic (or similar) and glued into place??

Again sorry for the questions

Sean
Righty ho people, thank you for the input, I have decided to go with EM, using PCB and solder, with ornamental chairs added, or possibly represented with solder or similar, perod wise is early to mid 30's LMS/LNER Nottingham area.

Thanks again all

Sean
How do Jim,

I do keep thinking that in my mind, I am modeling steam (1930's!) era, at the moment, I have swpped and sole a lot of my late 60's stock from the previous layout, and a lot of the not so good bits (A HUGE thank you to Richard Johnson for his input) have been removed, so I am back to bare boards near on, hmm, P4, I think this could be well worth doing, Jim, and yet again, I am thinking, as you say, same effort....

As most of my locos for this are still unbuilt kits, or part built kits, (at the stage where I am going to need wheels sooner rather than later now) I am very open to which gauge, and I do admit, the kits I have are mostly inside cylindered locos (3F, 4F, Prince of Wales, Flatiron and a J50 at the moment) so that should let me cut my teeth nicely on the locos before a more complex re-gauging of the Hornby Patriot I have....

OK ive been swayed P4 it is


Sean
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I think i shall do that, Jim, nothing complex, on in EM and on in P4,

I can see what you mean regarding the wheels on the steam locos, and if you would, that would be fantastic, my friend, as I say, I am a novice with fine scale, but know OO well enough to want to try something more realistic.

Thanks

Sean
Indeed its not a cheap excersize, but I am mainly relying on kits for my stock, so, adding P4 profile wheels, and any cylinder mods can be done with relitive easy, I notice that, as well as Brass masters, High Level kits do a small selection of chassis, and loco kits, all are suitable for P4 EM or OO, BUT they cost a fortune... the only RTR locos I have at the moment, that are for this layout, is an LNER B12 with a knackered motor (its an older Hornby tender drive version, but the body is in good nick, and is crying out to be detailed... ) which was about £15, so a chassis, motor and wheels, maybe £70 or there abouts, and a several hours of fiddling...

I would like to see the pics of your plank please John...

Sean
We do indeed John, and that is some nice track building there


As I mentioned I am thinking of the copper clad route, as I enjoy soldering.

I look forward to hearing the results of your chassis building, maybe you should put a thread up in the finescale department and post lots of pics?
I tend to use Mashiba motors, and the a mix of DJH, Gibson and High level gear boxes...

Sean
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OOO, that is a nice rig, I got the Marlins Precision gold soldering station, with a top end of 450 degrees.

I am not that fussy towards chairs, by the time I have done the stupid numbers of sleepers for a 12 foot run... I will just be glad to have something accurate and working... I tend to set the Iron at 400 for the solder I am using (I cannot recall which thought!) and Frys powerflo flux. I have not seen that flux before.

I hope the postie brings you your body kit soon


I do wonder if I can get some form of motion work kit for the inside cylindered locos with open boilers. (A huge niggle of mine)

Sean
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Sorry, that was a typo, I ment to put Maplins


I go cross eyed on other things, so adding chairs... maybe my eyes will cross so far they change sides


I have no jigs and at the mo im struggling with Templot, so I really want to get on, BUT without the templates, and jigs I cannot go far, yet but soon enough I shall.

I must look at that, being LMS/LNER i need a few locos like the 4F. I bet there is much language putting that together... hmm, Maybe its time to go and see the loco preserved railway, and get lots of lovley detail photos....

Sean
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I thoroughly recommend then, I get most of my goodies from them, from resistors to PCB and solder...

from what I have read, a lot of people just use the template to create V's and blades, I have just ordered 3 P4 roller gauges, and a 3 point gauge (not that there will be much curved track to play with...)

Templot, I can use it for singular pieces of track or a point, but when it comes to much more than that.....

I shall keep my eyes out for a copy of trax 2 many thanks for that...

I know what you mean, my friend, I seem to have found very few kits that make me swear too much, the BEC J17 being one of them, the running board castings had the strength of card board in a washing machine...

Sean
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Never apologize for sharing bits like that,

I assume you have different jigs for different V sizes?

I like your method of making the switch blade, its much easier than my own way of filing about with a fine file for hours on end


Thanks for sharing, and who knows, I should soon have enough bits to start to play with more practical track building!

Sean
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well, I am as tight as a gnats you-know-what, so any jigs I can make myself, that work (as yours clearly does) I do so...

With my layout being an awkward size, there are only a hand full of 'normal' points, mostly are very short (I cannot remember the type or number off the top of my head) or have many sections to them...

I shall post a thread sooner or later


Sean
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