Dapol Class 22 - "highest specification OO gauge"
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it wouldnt be feasable to upgrade the old moulds anyway.
There are limits on what its practical to do with 30 year old moulds.
Also you need to think about what would need to be redone. the entire roof, the ends, the cab sides. there really isnt much left and what is left would be simple to design.
Its time for the old moulds to go to the great depot in the sky along with the old lima deltic moulds.
Anyway. this is going to be an all new design.
Peter
There are limits on what its practical to do with 30 year old moulds.
Also you need to think about what would need to be redone. the entire roof, the ends, the cab sides. there really isnt much left and what is left would be simple to design.
Its time for the old moulds to go to the great depot in the sky along with the old lima deltic moulds.
Anyway. this is going to be an all new design.
Peter
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QUOTE (Thunder @ 8 Mar 2008, 22:45) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I have allways thought of the 22 as a bit of an ugly duckling, that has hit a wall and pushed the front in, but saying that i will endevour to purchase one for my layout, is this the first OO gaouge loco that dapol have produced?
I often say that ugly prototypes often make the best models, because there is some character to "latch" on to for the modeller. This seems to apply to road vehicles as well as railway ones (with a John Day Austin K8 bus I possess in mind - ugly little beast!).
I often say that ugly prototypes often make the best models, because there is some character to "latch" on to for the modeller. This seems to apply to road vehicles as well as railway ones (with a John Day Austin K8 bus I possess in mind - ugly little beast!).
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QUOTE (SRman @ 10 Mar 2008, 00:18) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I often say that ugly prototypes often make the best models, because there is some character to "latch" on to for the modeller. This seems to apply to road vehicles as well as railway ones (with a John Day Austin K8 bus I possess in mind - ugly little beast!).
Funny you say that as one of my favourite locos is the Bulleid Q1 which has to be the ugliest thing ever built and the 22 is the diesel equivelant.
Shaun
Funny you say that as one of my favourite locos is the Bulleid Q1 which has to be the ugliest thing ever built and the 22 is the diesel equivelant.
Shaun
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QUOTE (Merry Go Round @ 11 Mar 2008, 09:16) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Funny you say that as one of my favourite locos is the Bulleid Q1 which has to be the ugliest thing ever built and the 22 is the diesel equivelant.
Shaun
But the Q1 is so ugly it's beautiful, when I saw the Hornby model in the flesh I just had to have a Southern one. Where as the Ivatt 4 is just plain ugly, it's "guts" are on the outside!
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If the 22 is as good as they say it'll be I may well end up getting one. It's a bit like the bloke who tried to sell me a Greyhound in the pub, I said "That's not a Greyhound, it's a Bulldog" He said " It ran into a wall."
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Shaun
But the Q1 is so ugly it's beautiful, when I saw the Hornby model in the flesh I just had to have a Southern one. Where as the Ivatt 4 is just plain ugly, it's "guts" are on the outside!
If the 22 is as good as they say it'll be I may well end up getting one. It's a bit like the bloke who tried to sell me a Greyhound in the pub, I said "That's not a Greyhound, it's a Bulldog" He said " It ran into a wall."
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QUOTE (Merry Go Round @ 11 Mar 2008, 09:16) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Funny you say that as one of my favourite locos is the Bulleid Q1
have to agree there - pity no one make it in HO !
have to agree there - pity no one make it in HO !
QUOTE (Merry Go Round @ 11 Mar 2008, 09:16) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Funny you say that as one of my favourite locos is the Bulleid Q1 which has to be the ugliest thing ever built and the 22 is the diesel equivelant.
Shaun
I agree on both counts, they are both so ugly they are 'cute' in the same way that our dog - a Brussels Griffon (like a Pug but lighter built) is. I will be buying at least one if they are any good!
On the earlier models front - didn't Playcraft (UK Jouef) produce one at roughly HO scale for the British market? I have one somewhere, its all wheel drive as well with a chunky great motor that acts as its own flywheel. I have been meaning to use it as a chassis for a O-16.5 diesel of some kind!
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Shaun
I agree on both counts, they are both so ugly they are 'cute' in the same way that our dog - a Brussels Griffon (like a Pug but lighter built) is. I will be buying at least one if they are any good!
On the earlier models front - didn't Playcraft (UK Jouef) produce one at roughly HO scale for the British market? I have one somewhere, its all wheel drive as well with a chunky great motor that acts as its own flywheel. I have been meaning to use it as a chassis for a O-16.5 diesel of some kind!
David Y
QUOTE (Dinwiddy @ 11 Mar 2008, 15:27) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I agree on both counts, they are both so ugly they are 'cute' in the same way that our dog - a Brussels Griffon (like a Pug but lighter built) is. I will be buying at least one if they are any good!
On the earlier models front - didn't Playcraft (UK Jouef) produce one at roughly HO scale for the British market? I have one somewhere, its all wheel drive as well with a chunky great motor that acts as its own flywheel. I have been meaning to use it as a chassis for a O-16.5 diesel of some kind!
David Y
You are quite correct Dinwiddy, there was a HO Playcraft/Jouef model.
I still have whats left of one (BR Blue)in my scrapbox. It came with three Golden Arrow coaches if i remember correctly.
Funny thing is they made an ugly looking engine even worse by moulding the buffers as part of the body! This really did make it look as though it had been driven into a wall.
I also remember this loco having good traction for what it was - The railroad range of its day.
On the earlier models front - didn't Playcraft (UK Jouef) produce one at roughly HO scale for the British market? I have one somewhere, its all wheel drive as well with a chunky great motor that acts as its own flywheel. I have been meaning to use it as a chassis for a O-16.5 diesel of some kind!
David Y
You are quite correct Dinwiddy, there was a HO Playcraft/Jouef model.
I still have whats left of one (BR Blue)in my scrapbox. It came with three Golden Arrow coaches if i remember correctly.
Funny thing is they made an ugly looking engine even worse by moulding the buffers as part of the body! This really did make it look as though it had been driven into a wall.
I also remember this loco having good traction for what it was - The railroad range of its day.
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I believe Dapol have also announced that they are going to do a class 41 (D600) 'Warship' in conjuction with Kernow Models.
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QUOTE (baby deltic @ 18 Mar 2008, 20:07) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I believe Dapol have also announced that they are going to do a class 41 (D600) 'Warship'
And one of those, D601 Ark Royal, made it to Woodhams as well!
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And one of those, D601 Ark Royal, made it to Woodhams as well!
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QUOTE (BRITHO @ 19 Mar 2008, 12:55) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>And one of those, D601 Ark Royal, made it to Woodhams as well!
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Such a shame these Loco's are just the wrongside of my modelling timeline. That being to early.
I believe the models are not due to 2010, so maybe by then if say the class 15's, 16's, 23's, 28's ect have been anounced to be produced by other manufacture's, i may be persuaded to back my timeline to the mid sixties and aquire a couple.
But i wouldn't like to purchase one just to have it sat in the scrapline.
Here's hoping.
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Such a shame these Loco's are just the wrongside of my modelling timeline. That being to early.
I believe the models are not due to 2010, so maybe by then if say the class 15's, 16's, 23's, 28's ect have been anounced to be produced by other manufacture's, i may be persuaded to back my timeline to the mid sixties and aquire a couple.
But i wouldn't like to purchase one just to have it sat in the scrapline.
Here's hoping.
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I fancy D600 in rail blue with full yellow ends
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QUOTE (BRITHO @ 19 Mar 2008, 13:55) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>And one of those, D601 Ark Royal, made it to Woodhams as well!
Regards
What a shame it managed to survive until 1980 along with class 21 D6122, before being cut. If only they'd hung on a bit longer, they might have made it into preservation.
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What a shame it managed to survive until 1980 along with class 21 D6122, before being cut. If only they'd hung on a bit longer, they might have made it into preservation.
QUOTE (baby deltic @ 21 Mar 2008, 11:01) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>What a shame it managed to survive until 1980 along with class 21 D6122, before being cut. If only they'd hung on a bit longer, they might have made it into preservation.
Indeed - I spent many happy hours clambering over both - oh happy days.
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Indeed - I spent many happy hours clambering over both - oh happy days.
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