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***Actually no, it doesn't. I know this radio system very well.

The full duplex radio technology in the NCE system isn't really susceptible to interference at all, nor will it cause it - but its operational range is excellent when "talking to itself" so to speak.

Modern tightly designed digital radio systems work within their own transmission alorythms and on a frequency that is accurate to several decimal points, not like the lower band areas. At the high end of the spectrum, these sort of traditional radio problems are about zero statistically.

Remember, the whole works GSM band is in the same part of the spectrum, and all those many million mobiles rarely interreact badly. (and a mobile puts out several thousand times the power of a radio based DCC controller).

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QUOTE (Brian Considine @ 28 Jan 2010, 17:42) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Probably not in practice, but my comments still stand & that would make the system more suseptable to outside interference.
 

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OK, I'll learn from this and next time add all these systems. Adding them now won't be fair as those who have voted can't go back and vote again.

Lets do this a couple of times a year. Use it as a means to test how the Digital market is progressing.
 

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I own Fleischmann Profi-Boss and Duehler&Haas Future Central Control (a SX/Motorola/DCC central). Profi-Boss is my primary system but I am converting to FCC and computer control with ST-Train software.
 

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Due to the cost of commercial DCC systems, I have been looking into building my own using the schematics on the MERG website. Although I may have to use commercial loco decoders due to the difficulty in fitting homemade decoders into N gauge locos!
 

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QUOTE (Putzi @ 24 Jan 2010, 18:43) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>An interesting poll. I have and use a Roco multiMAUS system, but I plan to buy a new system or upgrade to a wireless multiMAUS with partial computer control. I've spent ages researching lots of different systems and can safely say that I'm completely at a loss as to which one to choose. I think I will have to spend yet more ages on research...

I researched this unit the wireless multimouse and found that you are not able to use a programming track and have to remove all other locos so I decided to buy a second Fleischmann digital twin centre to add to my other before they all dissapear from the face of the world for good.
 

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QUOTE (Kentsu @ 14 Feb 2010, 10:05) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I own Fleischmann Profi-Boss and Duehler&Haas Future Central Control (a SX/Motorola/DCC central). Profi-Boss is my primary system but I am converting to FCC and computer control with ST-Train software.

If you need to find a home for the Profi-Boss then give me a yell I am sure i'll be able to find it a good home.
 

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QUOTE (Dave-Bee @ 12 May 2010, 15:27) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I researched this unit the wireless multimouse and found that you are not able to use a programming track and have to remove all other locos .......
I think you've got that wrong.
The MultiMaus doesn't have a separate programming track, but the new MultiMaus Pro has both main track and Programming track outputs.
In fact the Pro is a big step up from the basic MultiMaus in several areas.
 

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Hi Doug, I voted none or pass, I do intend to go DCC in the future, But! first I want to research the market, What systems are on offer, how easy are they to operate/upgrade, price? maybe an important point, The track record of the companies involved, Are they likely to be in the business for a long time?Or what system will emerge the winner in the market? anyone remember when vidio tapes came out!
 

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QUOTE (tank engine @ 3 Aug 2010, 09:10) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Hi Doug, I voted none or pass, I do intend to go DCC in the future, But! first I want to research the market, What systems are on offer, how easy are they to operate/upgrade, price? maybe an important point, The track record of the companies involved, Are they likely to be in the business for a long time?Or what system will emerge the winner in the market? anyone remember when vidio tapes came out!

I remember video tapes with the two formats.The betamax was a better system but couldn't hold as much video as VHS.Every system comes out in two's but one usually quickly fades.If you're going to go DCC in the future plan for it now so that when you move on it will be a simple matter. The most important thing is wiring no matter what system you choose. Get it right & you're on your way,get it wrong & you will always regret it.
 

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DCC hasn't just come out. It's a maturing market.

You will find old systems, new systems, defunct systems etc. - For beginners, intermediate and advanced users.

I've already had 3 DCC systems (Arnold, Lenz and ECoS) and each one was an evolution of the last.

See the links at the top of this DCC section for starters and then look through old topics here. Feel free to ask questions as most systems will have a champion or two amongst the members here.
 

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DCC is a world-wide standard followed by the majority of manufacturers, and has been going for at least 15 years now. The standards are set by the NMRA in the US and were based on a system developed in Germany by Lenz, but are followed by many manufacturers both in the US and in Europe. Hence DCC is a non-proprietorial open standard capable of further evolution.

I believe its only current serious main-stream rival in the use of miniaturised computers (the decoders) to control locos, point motors, etc is the Maerklin system. If I am wrong then I'm sure someone will soon correct me. This is only really used by Maerklin and companies who want to be compatible with it. The standards for the Maerklin system are set by Maerklin itself, and hence it is a proprietorial system intended for use with their 3 rail AC system. There is another system - Selectrix, made by the Trix company before they were acquired by Maerklin.

You can mix n match DCC decoders from different manufacturers on a layout provided they all conform to the DCC standards published by the NMRA as DCC refers to the communications protocol used to send the command signals from the controller/base station to the decoders. It also covers the connections from the decoder to the loco or point motor as appropriate. So provided your controler/base station is fully DCC conforming, it should be able to control any DCC conforming decoder irrespective of its manufacturer.

You cannot mix DCC, Maerklin and Selectrix decoders simply because virtually all controllers/base stations are single standard, either DCC, or Maerklin, or Selectrix, and the decoders only respond to instructions from the base station coded for their speciic format. A DCC decoder will not respond to a signal from a Maerklin Base station/controller and vice versa. However, the ESU ECoS, ESU Navigator model 50300, and Maerklin Central Station 2 are, I think, the only exceptions as they can control both DCC and Maerklin, and in the case of the ECoS only Selectrix, decoders simultaneously on the same layout.

Generally speaking you cannot mix n match controllers as the DCC standards do not cover how one controller communicates with and connects electrically to another even if they both use identical looking plugs and sockets. There are some exceptions, but these tend to be few and far between unless a manufacturer has deliberately set out to be compatible with another and followed the other company's standards. Even then compatibility is not always achieved.

I use Hornby, Bachmann, ESU LokPilot, ESU Loksound, and ZTC 255 loco decoders, they're all DCC, with no problems with an ECoS, an excellent, but expensive, piece of kit in my view. But having an ECoS, any additional base station/control kit that I buy must be compatible with the ECoS, which restricts me to products from ESU itself at the moment. Not a problem as the ECoS does all that I currently want.

Choose your controller/base station with great care, it will be the most expensive single item and hence the one thing you really don't want to have to replace because you're dissatisfied with it. So listen to the advice of others, but most importantly, try before you buy.

Good Luck, Unless you're a technophobe, I doubt that you'd want to go back to DC once you've tried DCC.

Keith.
 

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Many thanks for the very sound advice Doug and Keith, Don't worry I am not a technophobe, Just want to get it right, So I know I will have a good reliable system that I can expand as needed. regards Derek
 

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hi doug ..

you mentioned that you might run this poll several times a year ... its october now, when will you run it again? (and can you add the marklin and fleischmann systems this time? even if only a handful of us use it, its nice to not be left out! lol)
 

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Yes. Please run it again. It will be interesting to monitor the trends since it last ran. Going Underground's last post is a masterful introduction to Digital. DCC, Selectrix, Motorola etc. Only the control bus really needs to be kept the same etc. Although having just repeated that, I mixed ZTC and Lenz gear without problems, and bought an ECoS which spoke to both. But then, a few years ago, I sold the lot, and am now having to go through all the Catalogues and tech sheets again to decide what system I want now. The comments and discussions on sites like this, are the most valuable market research. So, thanks to all for that.

I am looking hard at Zimo (the availability of the MX9 lures me in that direction), but to answer a question above: Why are there not more Zimo posters? Probably because there are few Zimo dealers who hold Zimo in stock. And its price may have some effect.
 

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Hi Doug....in the first 2 questions missed out are, the Ecos 50200, Also members may have more than 1 of each unit.
( Only because I have 2 x 50200's.)..
Thanks....
 

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I would have thought it would be useful to ask if any sound locos are being run. Presumably the impact of sound on DCC is increasing year on year. It would be interesting to know by what sort of percentage.
 
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