After looking at some of the service sheets for the Fleischmann Steam Sound Locos , I don't think I would be that keen on them , It looks like they have a Large round speaker (maybe 28mm) in an enclosure that takes up the lower part of the Cab plus part of the firebox- I'm not sure if they are pointing up or down though.
As most layouts are between waste and arm height you would be looking on a downwards angle at the rolling stock , Its like being back in the days of the Motor in the Cab.
I was looking for a way to put a larger speaker in the lok , so I looked at the service sheets of the Sound Loks , they all seem to use the same speaker arrangement , but I think Erkut's solution of the speaker in the roof of the Cab pointing down is better
I haven't got any Fleischmann locos and don't know anyone who has that I can pop round and visit so I am at the mercy of theinternet in that erespect.
KPEV locos in their green livery are pretty rare so I would have to take the risk unless I do find out the loco is utter rubbish. I thought the BR95 was a recent lco and therefore expected it to be better. I had thought that the S3/6 might have been a re-issue of the Roco one (which was very nice) in a new livery. The price seems to indicate this as the Roco S3/6 was one of their Platin series before the old Roco went defunct.
If you really want to compare like with like and what to choose, the only real direct comparison you have is between Fleischmann article 4119, and Trix 22038/22039. These are the only releases directly comparable on a prototype level playing field. As I understand it, it goes something like this...
Fleischmann 4119 is DRG 18 501 introduced in 1924 and presented as running in late 20s - early 30s
Trix 22038 (with all whizz-bang bells and whistles) is 18 444 and presented in, quote, 'late 1920s condition'
Trix 22039 (standard version) is 18 445 and again in 'late 20s condition'.
The key thing to note, is that they are models of different locos - the Fleischmann being the series 'k' lok with the 'normal' 1870mm driving wheels.
The Trix loks are the 2000mm driver 'Hochhaxige' introduced in 1914 - series 'd' and 'e'.
So perhaps a comparison of the qualities of these locos could be valuable with DRG stock of the period under DRG conditions.
Fleischmann 480902 is the special 'one-off' loco 3709 in the Seddin exhibition condition (lasted a few months)- looks nice too, and I think merely a rework of the already released 4119, after all they are both from the series 'k' build of these locos. As it happened, when in DB service 3709 = 18 508 lasted right up to 1961/2.
The Trix insider model 22045 is 18 451 and of special significance because it went to LVA Goettingen, was really the only Hochhaxige to make it any way in to DB times and carry the 'Deutche Bundesbahn' lettering under the number on the cab (most of the others withdrawn by 1950). As I said on another thread, it's special because it remains with us today at the Deutsche Museum in Munich, and is utterly magnificent and a very cunning choice for 'club' members.
It's astounding the way they (trix) are mixing things up - the Trix Epoche I versions also have different running numbers - 22040 (bells/whistles) is 3624 (= 18 441) while 22041 is 3626 (= 18 443).
The other new Fleischmann model 411901 represents 18 495 (at least thats what's on the FL website) which was withdrawn in 1959 and could have only run with the 3 headlights for a couple of years, but a welcome model anyway - now give us one with 2 headlights !!
The basis for the Fleischmann 18 class locos began with the totally new 4118 (18 620), released a few years ago and the subsequent releases are, I guess, body reworkings and paint jobs. These locos (4118) received very good press when released.
Mind you, as I have said before, the Trix locos do look pretty special if the tiny pictures are right - time will tell.
QUOTE Mind you, as I have said before, the Trix locos do look pretty special if the tiny pictures are right - time will tell.
I did hear someone speculate that the photos ere of the Micro Metakit model but I don't know how true that is. I do fancy one though, I'd have gone for the Fleischmann one if it had had sound as that blue livery is awesome.
Thanks for the info 6991 it makes things clearer.
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