[cracknellchristopher]

Hi I've a OO gauge loco I'd like to sell for it's true value. Flying Scotsman double tender OO loco in very good condition. Untested..it was my father's & he used it on his layout so it's about 50yrs old..I've been told it's Trix/Triang. Can I get suggestions to what it's worth please.

 

[34C]

I don't believe Triang had anything to do with this model, it's Trix based on what I can see of the locomotive.

The value is what you can persuade someone to pay, and frankly unpredictable. If you have any of the original packaging, that usually helps maximise what is obtained. If the motor runs that also helps, test with a PP9 9V battery, if you don't have modern a controller available. (If you have the controller your father used, be cautious as it may be of an age to have a rubber insulated mains lead, now likely to be perished and dangerous.)

It's a good piece so you will get something for it, but don't go in with great hopes, I feel you would be doing well to get close to £100 in a private sale.

 

[Anthony Richards]

There is one currently looking for bids on eBay. It might be worth watching to see where it hammers. As has been said however, 'true value' is only what someone is prepared to pay at the time. This model does have some niche collectability going for it however.

Tony

 

[34C]

Good thought, that there's one to watch on Ebay.

I think this is as good a time as ever. There's lack of supply of new RTR, and there may be 'someone out there' desperate for a gift to give just a month hence. I wonder if this particular piece was a special edition for the Australian tour? That would be worth finding out, because if it is and you advertise that, the potential customer base may be greater.

 

[cracknellchristopher]

Good thought, that there's one to watch on Ebay.

I think this is as good a time as ever. There's lack of supply of new RTR, and there may be 'someone out there' desperate for a gift to give just a month hence. I wonder if this particular piece was a special edition for the Australian tour? That would be worth finding out, because if it is and you advertise that, the potential customer base may be greater.

Thanks

 

[Anthony Richards]

The two-tender model wasn't produced specifically to commemorate the Australia tour as the prototype's first twin-tender run took place a good twenty years earlier in 1968, when it ran between King's Cross and Edinburgh Waverley [the America tour commenced in 1969]. The model shown above is a post-1970 revised edition: amongst other things, they can be identified by having moulded handrails on the tenders, Earlier editions didn't.

The model is also prototypically incorrect as the water tender should be coupled between the loco and the coal tender. But who cares?!!

Tony

 

[Julian2011]

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The model is also prototypically incorrect as the water tender should be coupled between the loco and the coal tender. But who cares?!!

Tony

I found it difficult to believe that the coal Tender was behind the Water Tender, given that the coal would have to be transferred through the corridor of the Water Tender to get to the fire. I found several pictures of the full size original loco and all show the Water Tender behind the Coal Tender. I rather suspect the Fireman might care, even if conveyors were used.

Julian

 

[Wolseley]

The Australian tour of the Flying Scotsman took place in 1988, to coincide with the Australian Bicentennial. I remember one day in 1988 waiting on the suburban platform at Petersham station, when I heard a steam locomotive with a slightly different beat to what I was used to hearing and sure enough, it was the "Flying Scotsman" with a train of NSWGR carriages (not the first time I had heard a Gresley pacific in action though - I had witnessed "Union of South Africa in action around Dundee and thereabouts several times in the mid 1970s).

The model predates the Australian tour by at least 20 years. It is, as was stated earlier, a Trix model and not the Tri-ang one and is from the mid 1960s. I'm no expert on Trix, so I won't try to be too precise, but the second tender was added to the real thing in 1966, so the double tender Trix model can't be earlier than that. I have a single tender version of it, which I picked up a few years ago for around £50.00 plus postage - I can't remember what the charge for postage was, but it was unusually low for an eBay purchase.

If you put it next to a Tri-ang example, you will see that the Trix version is slightly smaller. Trix built most of their British models to a rather elastic scale somewhere between H0 and 00, which is usually said to be 3.8mm to the foot, although it does vary.

 

[34C]

...If you put it next to a Tri-ang example, you will see that the Trix version is slightly smaller. Trix built most of their British models to a rather elastic scale somewhere between H0 and 00, which is usually said to be 3.8mm to the foot, although it does vary.

I am no expert on Trix either, the only products I ever owned back in the day when it was in production, were the cardboard LNER coach kits (very successful at representing the varnished teak) and some of their very free rolling Commonwealth coach bogies. These items surely were in the 'HO/OO hybrid scale zone'. (I still have a few of the bogies, and the mouldings approximate to 3.85mm/ft , while the wheelsets were definitely sub-HO for tyre diamaeter, and have long been running under lowmacs and other SCV's having had their flanges turned down!)

A Trix Gresley pacific - the A2 the desireable item - always eluded me, so never had the chance to run the ruler over one, but my understanding was that these were overall 4mm/ft, ignoring then universal compromises such as shortened cylinders and reduced diameter carrying wheels, essential to get the thing round R1 curves. (Closest I can get is the Bachmann A4 which is based on the Trix body moulding, and that is definitely 4mm/ft.)

Anyone with a Trix A3 and a measuring stick? Frame length over bufferbeam to drag box faces should be in the range 170-171mm for a 4mm/ft model.

 

[Anthony Richards]

I found it difficult to believe that the coal Tender was behind the Water Tender, given that the coal would have to be transferred through the corridor of the Water Tender to get to the fire. I found several pictures of the full size original loco and all show the Water Tender behind the Coal Tender. I rather suspect the Fireman might care, even if conveyors were used.

Julian

You are quite right, my error. I did read somewhere that the water tender ran first but have been unable to find the reference now. Logically, it had to be wrong....

Tony

 

[Julian2011]

I hadn't really ever thought about it, until realising that the second tender would be all water, whilst reading what you said. I just assumed that they added a second standard tender, which wasn't particularly logical either, as it would waste the empty coal space.

J

 

[Ruffnut Thorston]

The real second tender was converted from a standard corridor tender.

I believe that it, or one like it, has run lately with the A4 “Bittern”.

The Trix version was, I think, also modified from the Trix standard tender.

The Hornby Railways version had a special body moulding. The chassis was the standard chassis, but with a special moulding fitted in place of the loco to tender coupling pin. This moulding represents the buffers fitted, with a loop coupling, but no hook.

 

[cbrooks122000]

Hornby did make one in the 1990s with a tender driven ringfield motor. I have one. This one looks a bit different to mine so perhaps it is a Trix. The Hornby one someone was asking £70.00 on EBay. I don't know if they got it.

 

[Ruffnut Thorston]

The loco pictured in the OP is definitely the Trix version….😉😀

 

[reddo]

Hornby did do a Ltd Edition 1000 pieces version to commemorate its' trip to Australia which is fairly rare; there is one on the Bay at a good price at the moment Hornby Flying. Scotsman R2687 DCC FITTED Special Edition With Certificate No485 | eBay

 

[cbrooks122000]

Well mine is a R075. Looking at the certificate it was September1993 one of 5000 (how times have changed) signed no less than by Simon Kohler.

 

[reddo]

Yes, yours was the very nice presentation pack, one here on the Bay HORNBY R075 LNER FLYING SCOTSMAN 1966 – 73 DOUBLE TENDER LIMITED EDITION BOXED | eBay There was also another pack with one BR Blue and one Green tender IIRC

 

[cbrooks122000]

You are going to hate me for this. I converted mine to loco driven as I prefer to run mine and seeing as I run DCC that was the easiest way. I probably have devalued it a lot but I am never going to sell it so why not. The loco chassis was off the latest Hornby high detail Flying Scotsman so it actually looks better. It definitely runs better.