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Exchanging a few views on another topic I wondered how many of the members here exhibit at shows - be it layout, demo stand, society stand or whatever.

Most people here know that Dave (BRITHO) & I, together with the assistance of Pam & Maggie operate St.Laurent en Ardennes on the exhibition circuit. SL was orignally built by Bill Roberts who was going to retire (scrap) it until Dave & myself "rescued" it, gave it a makeover (ongoing) & returned it to the exhibition circuit.

We try to interact with the paying public as much as possible, after all, it is their door money that has paid for you to be there.

It can be very hectic & tireing, but we all find it well rewarding also. We enjoy ourselves too & take a fairly laid back approach (hence taking the ICE3 through the station at max speed when there are lots of children watching). They also (the children that is) enjoy counting the wagons on the long freights & "penguin spotting".

As far as we are concerned we are putting on a show & entertaining people, hence the frontage of SL is the "stage" & the storage loops are "offstage". During the last outing at Brighton there seemed to be as many photo's taken of the storage loops as the front. The cameo scenes are popular & all the SL "crew" are depicted somewhere on the layout.

We get a fair amount of people asking if we mind if they take photos, which of course we don't, in fact we find it complimentry that people wish to take photos of our layout - amazingly, some operators object !

It would be interesting to learn other peoples views on the subject, so please post your input.
 

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Sound like fun. Show us some photos then.


I'm keen to build a layout for show. I have had an idea in mind now for a couple of years now. Not something that I'd use at home as I couldn't run all my trains on it, but perfect for a show as it would be transportable and have a certain charm about it. I still need one or two locos and some hard-to get rolling stock that would go on it. Then one day I can think about building it.
 

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QUOTE (Doug @ 25 Feb 2008, 14:38) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Sound like fun. Show us some photos then.


I did have the intention of taking some pics but it really was too hectic - the next show should not be too diffecult so I will have the pics then.

SL will be reassembled in the workshop in the next couple of weeks so I will do some then as well.
 

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QUOTE (dbclass50 @ 25 Feb 2008, 11:32) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>We get a fair amount of people asking if we mind if they take photos, which of course we don't, in fact we find it complimentry that people wish to take photos of our layout - amazingly, some operators object !
I always ask before taking photos out of courtesy and to warn people that they may get a flash in their eyes, I just consider it good manners. I asked one exhibitor this weekend at Eurotrack and he said by all means as long as they aren't for publication, which is fair as he regularly writes articles in the model press. I also asked as a result if he minded if I posted a couple on one of the large scale forums and he said he had no problem as I had bothered to ask.

I make an exhibition of myself with this,
http://www.modelrailforum.com/forums/index...?showtopic=2592
I also help out with a club layout, the Tarrant Valley 009, and a 1/22 Swiss (G) layout belonging to a friend too. The free entry to the shows is nice but as then you do have to get up really early and set it all up and pack it all away again, which means loading it twice and unloading it twice too, ooh me back!!!
 

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Just back from Model Rail Scotland, having operated Mike Wild's Bay Street Shed/Carper Road layout all weekend (with Mike), which was adjacent to the Hornby Magazine sales stand. We plan to take the layout to one show each month - next up Nottingham in March.

It is hard work though. Set up Thursday night, then a long day Friday (show closes at 8.00pm), then all day Saturday and Sunday until 5.00pm, then two hours knock down and loading up. Add the long drive back today (Monday) - just got back at 4.00pm - and I am absolutely shattered.

Still, a very good show, with some layouts rarely seen south of the border, most of the major manufacturers and a good selection of traders. Pete Waterman was also on hand with Laurie Lynch promoting a range of 'O' gauge diesel kits that really do seem affordable from around £375 (but you need motor and wheels). What keeps the price down is the plastic body, rather than using brass. I could be tempted at some point!

I did succumb to temptation and bought a Townstreet coaling tower and ash plant for a project I have in mind. I've been eying these superb-looking kits for some time and have been put off by the price (£70 apiece) - until now. I just hope I can paint and weather them as well as the examples on the sales stand!

Ah well, better go and sort all the locos and rolling stock back into safe storage, before we do it all again next month!

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I am proud to say I am on the operating teams of Moor Street and Amlwch. I was on the team for Calcutta Sidings - before it was retired and I have been on the road with Anderstaff Sidings, Newcastle Haymarket and Mostyn.

As for Demo's I have done various shows under society banners, DEMU, Scalefour Society and WFRM. I have attended shows demoing OLE and multiple unit construction and we are currently constructing Calcutta Sidings 2, p4newstreet and Tring.

All those and I dont really like operating much!

Cheers

Jim
 

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I used to have a OO LNER layout that did a few shows some 20 odd years ago. It was OK, but I never really had the time or money to put into it to get it up to a good standard.

I'm hoping I might be able to get Remagen up to exibition standards...
 

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QUOTE (dbclass50 @ 25 Feb 2008, 11:32) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Exchanging a few views on another topic I wondered how many of the members here exhibit at shows - be it layout, demo stand, society stand or whatever.

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My depot layout is on the exhibition cuircuit. Due to work i dont get to take it out all year, just the winter months usually, as such it has only done 3 shows in 3 years plus a club open day. It has a shop open weekend in june and another show in October. I think another 2-3 shows in the Wales and S.West area and that might be it, I dont think layouts should be seen more than a few times?

As such, I am planning a tailchaser this year, hopefully it will makes it debut in November. It will comprise 4 x 5 ft boards, boxed with 4 ft radius curves and the usual fiddle yard. The idea is that the trains will only be seen on the 20 foot of front layout, the curves which will be narrow in width 2 track only may be boxed in, cheap light ply unpianted and the fiddle yard may have some sort of 6 inch screen as I like you, dont like people spending time looking at stock.
I intend to hold their attention by having someting moving or ideling away on the fron boards.

thats plan A.
Dont mind photographes, I am a pro Photographer! I put a sign up saying take as many as you like, but I also give my e-mail address and ask for some copies to be sent to me!
I also put up signs saying ask questions, ask for train X. A list of scheduled running stock is also put up so if someone wants to see the Sandite train for example, they can ask for it and operation sequence can be changed.
 

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John

I have helped exhibit two layouts over the last 15 years or so.

The first is (unsurprisingly) a Germanic layout built for exhibition use. At 7m x 2m it is rather big, but is actually quite enjoyable to work on. It is almost in a total state of renewal as there are always things to change on it on an ongoing basis.

The other is a group effort in Gauge 1. 8 people "own" the layout, but not everyone has stock to run on it. Still there is something about 1:32 equipment running on a layout.

I am in Wellington and the layouts have been as far north as Auckland and as far south as Christchurch.

Before children, I used to go to all the exhibitions that the club went to, post children I don't go as often. Either I am getting old or sensitive to my family life?

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the coaches i build are sometimes exhibited on other layouts or stands but apart from that i have yet to venture beyond being there for fun.

I have so far managed to escape being tied to a stand or layout.

To be honest it really dosent appeal to me that much. i go to exhibitions to have a good time and to chat to people and absorb inspiration from the models. exhibiting sounds too much like work!

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I started Wisbech MRC up three years ago and in February this year we finally had the pleasure to exhibit our layout at East Dereham and then the following weekend in March at our neighbouring towns MR Exhibition where we received a lovely welcome from both.

I am intending to update the album on our website now I finally have the Internet back on at home and following a Big dispute with our previous ISP. Only back on again today and it is great to be back on again.

Our website is on www.freewebs.com/wismrc
 

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I am no stranger to exhibiting, I've done over 70 shows with about 5 or 6 layouts over the past 30 years. The most I've done with any one layout so far, is 42 shows with my 'Walmington Pier Tramway'.

I have exhibited this 3ft x 6ins plank as far north as Norwich, East to Southwold, West to Slough and south to Folkestone - I have exhibited at shows varying from excellent to the very few that I wouldn't set foot in again!

In my case it's not all about shuttling a tram back and forward along a 3 feet plank, it's about presentation, where you don't just sit there in miserable silence operating a controller (those exhibitors do get up my nose, especially when they ignore your questions). You sit up or stand, look enthusiastic and look welcoming, people sense that and will come to you, then you do what I do, point out the cameo scenes, invite children to follow the tram with their eyes and ANSWER QUESTIONS. You may have heard the same question hundreds of times over the exhibition weekend, but you must answer it as keenly as you first heard it. After all, that person who asked the question - for him it is the first time he spoke to you and he wants to go away happy and knowledgeable.

You will get the 'clowns' some belong to a club, some belong to another forum, who will try and 'bait' you or just wind you up with their constant criticism and their misguided sense of 'humour' - try and not stoop to their level, that's what they want, just keep silent and if that doesn't work refer them to the 'Thomas' layout where they will no doubt feel more comfortable.

Now we come to children - most are reasonably well behaved, but you do get the 'finger prodders' "please don't touch" or be a little stronger if necessary "gerroff", the 'trumpeters' (98+dB from a 6 years old who can drown out a 747 during takeoff) "I'm not deaf, but I soon will be", the 'blind' (Who must have physical eyeball contact with your layout) and those who endanger their and your own lives by swinging from barriers, or standing on chairs above you and over-reaching. My two prize specimens were: a child with "learning difficulties" who came up to Walmington Pier Tramway in full view of his parents picked up the tram and threw it to the ground. The other was a child who ran towards my Routes End layout and toppled it onto me. I have messages to those parents:
1. Learning Difficulties or not, the world will not always dance to your child's tune.
2. Forget the insurance, if I threatened civil damages against you, perhaps you would think twice about your childrens actions.

It would take a very brave exhibition manager to write these clauses into his exhibition programme:
"Damage incurred to any exhibit by a member of the public will result in that person being liable".
"Anti-social or disruptive behaviour by members of the public will result in their expulsion from the exhibition venue and the police informed".

Yes we are there for the public's benefit, but that doesn't give them the right to damage our handiwork.

Don't get me wrong, I do enjoy exhibiting, it's just I've learned to be more selective.

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I strongly believe I have seen your pier layout and it is right what you say about the 'vandals' as such. Back in 2006, we had an open day where we meet, with the owner proudly displaying some of his prized models and an Elderly pan walked past one display and deliberately put his arm behind the entire set-up, wiped it on to the floor and walked out before any member could catch him. Now the owner refuses to hold anymore 'Open Days' for the public. The models were repaired, but it was the fact that a complete stranger did it for no reason.
 

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QUOTE (trainman @ 25 Mar 2008, 20:05) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>an Elderly pan walked past one display and deliberately put his arm behind the entire set-up, wiped it on to the floor and walked out

Fantastic...a walking elderly pan...by any chance did a man with a tendency to over act suddenly appear from a blue police box and start asking questions?

I'll get my coat....

Seriously, these sort of incidents seem to be all too common these days. I guess we'll all have to either get used to it, erect steel barricade around out layouts or else stop exhibiting if things continue to get worse!

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QUOTE (80class @ 25 Mar 2008, 21:38) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Seriously, these sort of incidents seem to be all too common these days. I guess we'll all have to either get used to it, erect steel barricade around out layouts or else stop exhibiting if things continue to get worse!

We have now taken SL to about 10 or so shows now, we have had our fair share of finger prodding and fortunatly only minor damage to date. Barriers supplied to date varied.

However, at the last outing (Brighton Model World) we asked for barriers & within minutes the Brighton Centre Staff had provided some steel crowd control barriers (thanks guys) - result - absolutely no problems at all in 3 very busy days & easy for people to take pictures.

Pity that these measures seem necessary, but that's life.
 

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QUOTE (dbclass50 @ 26 Mar 2008, 10:13) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Pity that these measures seem necessary, but that's life.

Brian, talking about taking measures........



..a recently visited Hobbyshop.

Humans have the instinct or whatever you call it ,to touch and mingle things.
Looks damm ugly but the shop keeper thinks otherwise.


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QUOTE (ebaykal @ 26 Mar 2008, 09:31) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Brian, talking about taking measures........

..a recently visited Hobbyshop.

Humans have the instinct or whatever you call it ,to touch and mingle things.
Looks damm ugly but the shop keeper thinks otherwise.


Baykal

Hi Baykal,

Shops are a little different - maybe that's why people think they can touch an exhibit ?

Generally, in shops it's expected that people pick things up to look at & touch them.

Most shops I have seen that have working displays & such tend to have them under glass (in the UK anyway). At least, hopefully the mesh gets the message accross.
 

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To Protect the Gauge 1 layout, we use electric fench posts with a rope through the ends. As tempting as it would be to put some current through the rope, while it would protect Istein, layuts on either side may have the odd child/adult fly into their layout by "accident".

We have a very hands on approach to the layout. Kids can drive a train with an ESU handheld (why do they love the horn going all the time!) we run the layout from outside it and walk around it all the time (better than going to a gym perhaps?

Maybe people equate big trains with expensive trains (ok so they are not cheap) and dont touch.

We have our own picket fence for the HO layout but have a control panel so people can play with the crain.

If you keep the public entertained they will have fun and hopefully not touch.

Funnily enough we have no signs on either layout saying don't touch. Shades of private Mannering yelling "don't Panic, dont panic" perhaps?

John
 
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