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hey folks ...

as posted elsewhere, my baseboards are ready! ... track planning is in full swing just now to see whats possible in the space i have ...

however over the past year, iv been busy acquiring equipment so i have most of the things i need to start building and running my railway!

i knew from the start that i wanted dcc to run the layout and switch points. i knew i liked the console type controller too and i always liked german equipment!.

so i bought the fleischmann twin center and the twin control. i also have a profil boss to use as a handheld/walkabout unit which im told works very well with the twin centre.

but at the scottish model rail show, talking to experts on the brand, they tell me that fleischmann are dropping the twin centre and control and adopting the roco - maus system. the problem is - they are not compatible with each other ... one uses loco-net, the other uses express net for the components to talk to each other!. grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

the main difference for me as a user is that the roco-maus is capable of operating up to about 20 digital functions, the twin centre is limited to 8. but for n-scale, 8 seems to be sufficient given that there isnt many sound equipped locos in n gauge like there is in 00.

so do i stick with the fleischmann system now that iv invested in a twin centre, twin control and profi-boss (about £600 of controller lol) or do i switch to another controller now and cut my losses?

problem is that whatever is good today is outdated in 6-12months time and so any system bought today will be ousted in 12 months time by something else!.

do i just be happy with what iv got? ... thoughts / advice pls!
 

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hi twg,

i made a decision! - im sticking with the twin centre! ... i like it. i have always liked the "console" type controller, the expandibility of it - i have 1 twin control to plug into one side of the centre and ill buy another one soon to go onto the other side to make up a "control panel" .... this might sound silly and it probably is, but i even like the colours of it all - they grey casings, the red control knobs and red and green buttons and the green and black displays - its kind of retro and 80s! ... but its all part of the appeal for some odd reason!.

i bought a profi-boss from germany last year and this year i bought a great value fleischmann start set with the 218 diesel lok, 3 x double decker passenger carriages one of which is a driving trailer, an oval of track with curved points with metal frogs (the expensive ones!) and a profi boss controller for £260.

so i have 2 x profi boss now to use as walkabouts ... ill use the twin centre and one twin control for train driving and the 2nd twin control purely as a signals and points controller. i want the control panel to look as good as the layout itsself lol ...

i am very interested in the train navigation system, do you think i need to start buying the components up quickly in case the disappear soon? - i hope not - i think every loco needs the navigation transmitter and then the sensors around the layout thats not even near the final stages of planning!!!. does anyone else make a train navigation system that wud work with the loco-net / fleischmann system?

the roco multi maus does have more functions - but for n gauge i feel 8 functions for the time being is sufficient! the only controller i wud consider that i wud like better than the fleischmann twin centre is the new console controller from marklin - central station 2 in dcc mode ... but then 2 or 3 of them on a panel starts to become very serious money - all for a train speed controller lol. nice to dream tho!
 

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hi edwin - im really not sure on that one - maybe someone else on here knows more about the navigation system - i dont even know how it works, but i luv the idea!.

maybe as u say if its loco-net it might be that fleischmann have bought the digitrax system and re-badged it and selling it under the fleischmann name - at a fleischmann price lol ... i dont know but id be very interested to find out.

one way i suppose it to buy the digitrax system and try it out on the twin centre and see if it works. - maybe if any retailers read this and are inquisitive ... they cud try it out and let us know?
 

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hi richard,

thanks for that really quite useful info and advice. having mentioned zero 1 and marklin digital and now fleischmann, your certainly correct about train maufacturers dropping it when it doesnt fit in with a new business model - as i have just found out!.

okay that being the case, im not an expert on fleischmann digital train navigation, but maybe someone on here can explain how it works?

i realise there is a "transponder" required on each loco (each carriage & wagon as well? - or just the locos?) and then there is an l.e.d./infra - red(?) detector fitted into the rails (where on the layout do these get fitted?) .... i see from diagrams that the detectors get wired back to the fleischmann twin centre .... then what happens? how does it run trains automatically?

thanks for yoru help once again folks, this is a steep learning curve for me!
 

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hi richard - no probs - thats the great thing about places like this forum - everyone can learn from it - its amazing and i just luv it. the kids today dont know how good theyve got it!. the web has made the world a small place!.

TWG - thanks for the info - does uhlenbrock then also make the twin centre & twin control & other components also for fleischmann? im grateful for that iinfo about the train navigation because i was getting ready to plan a trip to munich for 3 days simply to go and buy components for my twin control system before they are all sold out!. i still need one more twin control and i might buy the turntable controller so it all co-ordinates together altho im not sure right now that i have space on my layout for a turntable!. the controller looks nice anyways lol
 

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hi twg ... thx for more excellent and useful info! - i had a look at the uhlenbrock website and their intellibox sure looks like a different coloured twin centre! ...
i also saw the new intellibox 2 - looks great with bigger screen and ability to control more functions. and i also saw the lissy train detection system that they make! - im so pleased about your posting - i dont need to rush to munich now to buy up fleischmanns train navigation components before they are all sold out!
uhlenbrock dont seem to have a version of the "twin control" add-on unit to the twin centre ... i like the add-on unit - ill be using one set to points control mode to just control points and signals, and use the twin centre and other twin control to drive trains!.

thanks once again for the really uselfull post (well it helped me out!).
 
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