QUOTE This is more noticeable in N Gauge locos and the smaller decoders As the Hornby Decoder is more suited current wise to n gauge this probably why it gets the problem.
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QUOTE (Gary @ 18 Dec 2006, 10:20) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Is the last post acceptable to the owners and moderators of this forum?
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Happy modelling
Gary
Don't be ridiculous.
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All my post does is answer your questions and allegations and offers support to those making statements which I agree with. If you don't want this sort of reaction why do you persist with defending the indefensible and continuing the Hornby are the greatest promotional theme? There is nothing in my last post which is unacceptable when compared with recent threads which is more than I can say for some of the posts and threads you have made.
You restarted this Hornby DCC debate when every one else had quitened down, so don't do what you usually do and act all innocent after cranking everyone else up. You created this current heated debate and generated this response. Why the owners and moderators of this forum would wish to single me out when the single greatest source of friction on this forum suggests so would be laughable. It's you they should be looking at.
Happy modelling
Gary
Don't be ridiculous.
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You restarted this Hornby DCC debate when every one else had quitened down, so don't do what you usually do and act all innocent after cranking everyone else up. You created this current heated debate and generated this response. Why the owners and moderators of this forum would wish to single me out when the single greatest source of friction on this forum suggests so would be laughable. It's you they should be looking at.
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QUOTE I was initially considering purchasing a Hornby start system in order to "test the water", but have now decided, partly as a result of this diatribe against other forum members, to go for the Roco system instead.
You won't regret it John. I started off with a Roco digital system, the Lokmaus 2, and found it easy to use and reliable. The new Multimaus is a very good system and you'll find it easy to use and the instructions fairly easy to get going with. Good choice.
QUOTE If Hornby do include a decoder as standard in future will it be the same low quality as we have seen so far?This is a worry. Could give Bachmann the biggest sales boost they've ever had.
QUOTE I would be very disappointed if Hornby dropped the NEM 652 socket and started fitting their locomotives with a decoder that did not have similar features and performance to Lenz Gold, Zimo MX63R or ESU LokPilot 3.
Sorry David but it's not going to happen. At least Bachmann seem to be on the right track with their digital program.
I notice that someone has been adding libel law to their portfolio of expertise. They may wish to consider this.
QUOTE In the UK, if someone thinks that what you wrote about them is either defamatory or damaging, the onus will be entirely on you to prove that your comments are true in court. In other words, if you make the claim, you've got to prove it!
On the internet the rules are exactly the same. There are no special internet defences. The only advantage is that web sites tend to have a smaller number of users, (so less people see it hence it's less defamatory so it's rarely worth the bother of going to court) and allegations can be removed promptly on protest from a defamed party.
There is also a defence of 'fair comment' which is somewhat vague but is basically there to stop someone being sued for saying they don't like Marks & Spencer or McDonalds or Piers Morgan.
You are allowed to say that - even if you were a famous star or a very persuasive writer and it could damage them financially. That's the law.
Nor is being abusive libelous.
So I can say "Keith Moon was a smackhead lower of the highest order" and it's no problem. In fact I could say "every human who ever existed was a smack dealing, gun running, uncle f
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This is completely okay. That's UK libel!
I am confident I have enough information to substantiate beyond reasonable doubt what I say to be correct. I think that most other people on this forum stick to facts that are substantiated so there is no fear of libel for them either. You may be interested to know that the above information came from a libel lawyer.
You won't regret it John. I started off with a Roco digital system, the Lokmaus 2, and found it easy to use and reliable. The new Multimaus is a very good system and you'll find it easy to use and the instructions fairly easy to get going with. Good choice.
QUOTE If Hornby do include a decoder as standard in future will it be the same low quality as we have seen so far?This is a worry. Could give Bachmann the biggest sales boost they've ever had.
QUOTE I would be very disappointed if Hornby dropped the NEM 652 socket and started fitting their locomotives with a decoder that did not have similar features and performance to Lenz Gold, Zimo MX63R or ESU LokPilot 3.
Sorry David but it's not going to happen. At least Bachmann seem to be on the right track with their digital program.
I notice that someone has been adding libel law to their portfolio of expertise. They may wish to consider this.
QUOTE In the UK, if someone thinks that what you wrote about them is either defamatory or damaging, the onus will be entirely on you to prove that your comments are true in court. In other words, if you make the claim, you've got to prove it!
On the internet the rules are exactly the same. There are no special internet defences. The only advantage is that web sites tend to have a smaller number of users, (so less people see it hence it's less defamatory so it's rarely worth the bother of going to court) and allegations can be removed promptly on protest from a defamed party.
There is also a defence of 'fair comment' which is somewhat vague but is basically there to stop someone being sued for saying they don't like Marks & Spencer or McDonalds or Piers Morgan.
You are allowed to say that - even if you were a famous star or a very persuasive writer and it could damage them financially. That's the law.
Nor is being abusive libelous.
So I can say "Keith Moon was a smackhead lower of the highest order" and it's no problem. In fact I could say "every human who ever existed was a smack dealing, gun running, uncle f
This is completely okay. That's UK libel!
I am confident I have enough information to substantiate beyond reasonable doubt what I say to be correct. I think that most other people on this forum stick to facts that are substantiated so there is no fear of libel for them either. You may be interested to know that the above information came from a libel lawyer.
QUOTE (dwb @ 19 Dec 2006, 08:59) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>>Sorry David but it's not going to happen
Maybe it's the excuse I need to bring forward my locomotive program and stock pile socketed locos whilst they're still available.
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David
That thought had occurred to me too. B)
Maybe it's the excuse I need to bring forward my locomotive program and stock pile socketed locos whilst they're still available.
David
That thought had occurred to me too. B)
QUOTE just cannot believe that Hornby has been so arrogant, or are they just being stupid over all this. I'm sorry if I have offended anyone on the forum about this statement but I feel some things have to be said. I think they need to get their house in order pretty quick, and by having someone keep on making up excuses and now empty threats over litigation, I fear is not going to endear too many people on this forum to Hornby's system.
This new tactic of frequently referring to litigation is interesting. I wonder who put him up to it? Captn Bob aka the bouncing Czech used to get away with a lot using that form of intimidation.
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This new tactic of frequently referring to litigation is interesting. I wonder who put him up to it? Captn Bob aka the bouncing Czech used to get away with a lot using that form of intimidation.
QUOTE My concern is that there will be members who will persist in making comparisons with alternative equipment when these circumstances arrise rather than helping to educate those with their systems already purchased.
I think it is only natural that comparisons will be made between different systems. The only way they can be separated out is if we have a different DCC section for beginners and for those who know a bit more. However I would say that regardless of their opinion of the budget DCC offerings, help is always offered and given by those on the forum with greater DCC knowledge.
QUOTE I think Hornby have got it about right with the cost of the sets against the functionality. How many of us would be shouting down Hornby for releasing a £300 set with all knobs and whistles, instead of £150.
Fair comment. Ultimately some corner of the market will feel that their requirements have not been addressed.
QUOTE There seems to be an industry wide issue here with too much reliance on the internet and not enough reliance on providing a good, clear, simple manual designed to educate rather than make assumptions that the user already understands the concepts.
Unbelievably enough I would agree with this too. Any DCC product or unit must have stand alone instructions with no reliance on websites for support. Some manuals are poorly written. However some manuals really go overboard. Have you seen the thickness of the manual that comes with the Lenz Gold decoder?
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I think it is only natural that comparisons will be made between different systems. The only way they can be separated out is if we have a different DCC section for beginners and for those who know a bit more. However I would say that regardless of their opinion of the budget DCC offerings, help is always offered and given by those on the forum with greater DCC knowledge.
QUOTE I think Hornby have got it about right with the cost of the sets against the functionality. How many of us would be shouting down Hornby for releasing a £300 set with all knobs and whistles, instead of £150.
Fair comment. Ultimately some corner of the market will feel that their requirements have not been addressed.
QUOTE There seems to be an industry wide issue here with too much reliance on the internet and not enough reliance on providing a good, clear, simple manual designed to educate rather than make assumptions that the user already understands the concepts.
Unbelievably enough I would agree with this too. Any DCC product or unit must have stand alone instructions with no reliance on websites for support. Some manuals are poorly written. However some manuals really go overboard. Have you seen the thickness of the manual that comes with the Lenz Gold decoder?
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