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A new start and a new plan.

So Ablingham has gone and I start to formulate thoughts, and those thoughts spawn more thoughts and from that, an idea. It needs to be something with an interesting sideline, or atleast one that adds operability and eases boredom. So I am going for a terminus, well sort of, a double ended terminus if that makes sense. I didn't particularly like the idea of no through trains, but space would be limited in a way, so any through trains would have to be short. I still want express trains though and what about freight, I have so many locos that freight really has to be there somewhere. So a branch line at one end joining a 'mainline' then a small yard to turn the freight round and a small station to go with it. Then a line along to the main station, but at the far end of the main station a single track to a small fiddle yard.

So to the drawing, its not exact yet, but the basis is there.


The Location.

I looked at my fleet of trains to gauge a new location. I have stock from all over the country now, 319s and networkers in the south east, a 170, 159 and 166 from south west London, but nothing there with common ground and running the same trains back and forward could be worse than what I had (for me atleast). I don't have much stock for wales and the Midlands either, so that leaves another Northern England layout or Scotland. well I do have some Strathclyde PTE units and a couple of other Scottish units. But I'm not sure about a fully scottish layout, as soon as you say scottish, their is an image that hits everyones minds, even if it is not the same image! So northern then? Well no, not exactly, I have a location mind, one that could be different if a railway had been there for a while, Peebles. Its far enough south to allow Northern units to run regular services and still close enough to Glasgow to give SPTE units a run (if they can be seen in Edinburgh and Newcastle, they can be seen in Peebles!).

The services.

The Northern units head East from Peebles through Glentress (the small(ish) station) and across to Galashiels, which is on the former Waverley route, then south to Hawick. At Hawick the line seperates, there is a line to Carlisle and a line to Newcastle. The Carlisle route pre-existed in real life, so no make believe there, but no railway to my knowledge crosses the National Park to get to Newcastle, so a bit of make believe there, but it does now run to the 'borders' line between Haydon Bridge and Hexham. With Newcastle-Carlisle services being hourly all day its difficult to justify a busier shedule than that, so bi-hourly to Newcastle and Carlisle with a few extra 'peak' trains.

The Scottish units will depart north west towards Fauldhouse and Shotts then join existing lines to Glasgow. there won't be much room to see these units if thats all they do, so, using existing prototypes I plan a service or two from Newcastle to Glasgow and back. In the real world they go to Carlisle under Northerns banner then north to Glasgow under Scotrails banner, but I have diverted some for my own ends. Otherwise another bi-hourly service with extra 'peak' trains.

Peebles won't be electrified, so West coast expresses wouldn't work, but GNER have HSTs, so it should be okay for a couple of services, and Cross Country is fairly easy to work in, so there a good diet. I was thinking a monirng GNER service from Leeds, departing to the capital afterwards and then the evening return workings, with Cross Country serving Peebles every other hour, or two.

Freight might seem limited and I suppose it is, but engineers wagons should provide some supply and the branch could support an industry, maybe a coal power station and a wagon repair depot or something like that (or even a coal mine, but I imagine that would have close long ago anyway!)

The test.

I made a test section to see how feasible the plan is, although the main station will have to wait for earth works (the removal of ballast!), Glentress gets a quick look.....




Any comments, good or bad (but not too bad!) welcome.
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Some greenery was added to the hills last night, I don't think its perfect but there we go. Pictures aren't great but give a good idea of the site, some taken before ballasting others after. Does the ballast look right? I had this feeling all night that it was too light. You'll also have to forgive the odd intruder in the pictures and spot the wonky tree, it wouldn't stay where I wanted it to be whilst it glued!

The A72 bridge area...



The bank by the bridge...


The freight branch...




The run down the mainline...





The drivers view out of the tunnel...
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May I make one suggested!

On the 2nd picture where the wide support wall is you could have a bit of greenery from there going ito a point'ish just to break up the large amount of ballast that is between the tracks, It is just a frienly suggestion.

The ballast colour looks ok to me also.

Kind regards

Paul
Sounds reasonable, I'll allow it!


I was beginning to think the same thing, perhaps with it following the track under the bridge.
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That sounds like a very good idea mate, Go for it.

Don't forget to include a 'revised' picture though


Kind regards

Paul
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I think the 7th picture down looks excellent the way the particular exposure in the camera makes it look more realistic.

Cheers
Alan
Thank you very much, can't take any credit really though, it was an accident!
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A revised picture! The grass is leftovers unfortunately so when I get some new grass I might replace it.


A test of my photographic ability, a 158 passes under the road bridge.


I should have put switched the headlights on and it probably could have done with interior train lights, but they ain't fitted!

Once again money has slowed progress, but rest assured plans are afoot!
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That looks much better mate, Just breaks the ballast up nicely.

Kind regards

Paul
I have revised my plans for Glentress station and yard, I felt something just wasn't right, there wasn't the right 'feel' about it. Anyway I have swapped the station and yard around so the station is towards the back and yard infront of it, but kept the loop for freight trains off the branch.

The new junction at the north (Peebles) end of the station, little has really changed although a new curved point is installed on the inner line.


As can be seen in the following shots, basically the two shed roads have moved to the the far side of the station and become single ended sidings as opposed to the double ended roads they were before. The added bonus is longer station platforms.




The bit I am not sure on is a set of points that I included where the previous end of station junction was, I think I may remove them as they add little to the layout operationally. They are beside the shed building in this view.


Any thoughts?
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Hi HHF.

Do you have space to get another platform in between the furthest away track and the back of the layout as that would actually make much more sense operationally? Maybe you could fit some baseboard extensions in between the roof joists. I'm thinking "How do passengers get to the platform" ?

If this is possible you could then have a low-relief station building and possibly have either a printed backscene of the rears of some terraced houses backing onto the furthest away line or, if there's enough room, have some low-relief terrace house rears with a Townscene roofscape backscene behind them.

Just a few thoughts.
Hmm, a question on the Stagecoach bus in the photo below.

QUOTE (hairyhandedfool @ 18 Apr 2009, 08:28) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>


If that's a Stagecoach East Kent Metrobus II it's well and truly lost as they were all based in Ramsgate while carrying that livery.

Regards
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QUOTE (Expat @ 21 Apr 2009, 13:43) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Hi HHF.

Do you have space to get another platform in between the furthest away track and the back of the layout as that would actually make much more sense operationally? Maybe you could fit some baseboard extensions in between the roof joists. I'm thinking "How do passengers get to the platform" ?

If this is possible you could then have a low-relief station building and possibly have either a printed backscene of the rears of some terraced houses backing onto the furthest away line or, if there's enough room, have some low-relief terrace house rears with a Townscene roofscape backscene behind them.

Just a few thoughts.

Constructive comments are always welcome, so please print them here. It is one option I have looked at, although the room behind the furthest track on the board is quite limited, but there is air between that and the roof joists. The other option was to have a walkway and stairs from the side of the A72 road bridge (which can't quite be seen in the last photos), perhaps with a station building at street level. This should be the next part of the layout to get scenery, thats why there is currently no access for the punters!

QUOTE (BRITHO @ 21 Apr 2009, 16:14) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>....If that's a Stagecoach East Kent Metrobus II it's well and truly lost as they were all based in Ramsgate while carrying that livery.

Regards

Ermmmm...........Yeah, okay it is an East Kent bus, the minibus is a bit lost too, but I have no other buses that could be suitable and they were to hand at the time. Does anyone know the correct bus company for the Peebles area?

I had thought the new position of the station would allow an irregular train service to somewhere down the branch, but whilst the road bridge has room to spare, I have built the tunnel on the branch line for short freight vehicles and shunters, so now I find that the only passenger vehicles that will fit are class 101s and possibly 142s! So I might leave that idea on the drawing board.
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QUOTE (hairyhandedfool @ 23 Apr 2009, 11:44) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Constructive comments are always welcome, so please print them here. The other option was to have a walkway and stairs from the side of the A72 road bridge (which can't quite be seen in the last photos), perhaps with a station building at street level.

Yes that would work. Just make the A72 road bridge wider and have a high level station with stairs down to platform level.
QUOTE (hairyhandedfool @ 23 Apr 2009, 08:44) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Does anyone know the correct bus company for the Peebles area?
Hi
First Edinburgh, or MacEwan's Coaches. There's also the Annandale Transport Initiative...
mal
QUOTE (hairyhandedfool @ 23 Apr 2009, 07:44) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Ermmmm...........Yeah, okay it is an East Kent bus,

Quite sad that I spotted it actually, but as one of my other interests is the history of the East Kent Road Car Company..........

Regards
QUOTE (Expat @ 23 Apr 2009, 13:59) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Yes that would work. Just make the A72 road bridge wider and have a high level station with stairs down to platform level.

I think there are a couple of options here, some more prototypical than others.

QUOTE (Purley Oaks @ 23 Apr 2009, 15:13) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Hi
First Edinburgh, or MacEwan's Coaches. There's also the Annandale Transport Initiative...
mal

Thank you, I'll keep my eye out for more suitable vehicles.

QUOTE (BRITHO @ 23 Apr 2009, 16:15) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Quite sad that I spotted it actually, but as one of my other interests is the history of the East Kent Road Car Company..........

Regards

Its clearly of interest to you, so I don't think any of us have a right to mock it, regardles of how picky it might seem!
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A week of electrical problems has meant that not much has progressed on the layout and worse still, not much 'testing' either!

Anyway, one of the trains I did get running was rather special.

47799 and 47798 wait to leave Peebles.


And later, are seen passing between the hills






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The electrical problems pesist and it looks like I might have to remove most of the scenic level to fix it, so I have been think about Peebles future. I have seen a few different layouts about which have spawned ideas in my head, my hope is that I can come up with an idea that combines everything I like about this layout and at the same time have new elements that will interest me in the future. I like lots of things about this layout, especially the 'valley' scene, hopefully I can recreate this.
Hi Hairy

Sorry to hear of your ongoing electrical problems! Hope you get it sorted soon mate.

Kind regards

Paul
What electrical problems are you suffering from - someone may be able to help/advise.
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