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Its the Hornby R1057 The Royal Train and i was tempted to buy it but as its a newish thing from Hornby so can anyone tell me if it has a DCC socket or is it DCC ready etc please?


I belive its loco driven and not tender but it makes no mention if it has a DCC socket. So, if anyone can be kind and shed some light on it, please say so.

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Hi Kodiak. Looking at this service sheet it would suggest not in relation to the DCC socket but it may pay to check with Hornby to be on the safe side.
http://static.hornby.com/files/ss-251c-226.pdf
It does however have the 5-pole can motor in the loco.
 

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QUOTE (ozwarrior @ 17 May 2007, 00:47) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Hi Kodiak. Looking at this service sheet it would suggest not in relation to the DCC socket but it may pay to check with Hornby to be on the safe side.
http://static.hornby.com/files/ss-251c-226.pdf
It does however have the 5-pole can motor in the loco.


5 pole motor?

sorry but that means nothing to me.

i will ask hornby then about the DCC.

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It does NOT have a DCC socket. It is not too difficult to chip once you have got the body and speedo cable detached from the chassis.

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Regarding you question about 5-pole motors this article on z-scale asks some good questions:
"Do you need a 5-pole motor?" & "How to tell which motor you have?"

http://www.zscale.org/articles/fivepole.html#tell

With regard to steam locos most new Hornby are 5-pole whereas most Bachmann I believe are 3. That said no one seems to be complaining about the 3-poles so other factors must come into play.
 

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If it's not a ringfield, don't forget to buy a spare motor or two as Hornby now uses cheap throw away can motors that you can't service. Once the motor brushes are worn out that's it, you throw the motor away and buy a new one. If you buying a new loco now with a throw away motor then get that spare motor, as Hornby's spares supply is sporadic at the best of times and spares for anything over a year old can be a real pain.
 

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QUOTE (thetriangman @ 19 May 2007, 12:11) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>If it's not a ringfield, don't forget to buy a spare motor or two as Hornby now uses cheap throw away can motors that you can't service. Once the motor brushes are worn out that's it, you throw the motor away and buy a new one. If you buying a new loco now with a throw away motor then get that spare motor, as Hornby's spares supply is sporadic at the best of times and spares for anything over a year old can be a real pain.

Well i bought it today for £89.99.

thank you oz for your info.

triangman, you say to buy some spare motors. Are they that crap that you have to keep replacing them????

If so, where do you buy them, hornby themselves????
 

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Nice train set.

What type of engine is included - is that an A3?

And are these really the coaches that Queen Elisabeth utilizes when she travels by train?
 

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QUOTE And are these really the coaches that Queen Elisabeth utilizes when she travels by train?

I've just lost a long and rather technical attempted reply, so this time I'll try to keep it short. Bear in mind I'm not a scholar of coaching stock , and there's no reference book on the Mk3 coach

Most of the Royal Train is made up of Mk3 type coaches. Hornby have models of Mk3 coaches in their range , but these are of the general service coaches for normal passengers. The 2 main Royal saloons were converted from the prototype Mk3 open first and open second. However conversion work may have been significant: Hurst Models , a specialist trader , sell conversion packs for 2 Royal vehicles with replacement etched sides , implying that some of the windows were rearranged in conversion

There is a "normal" Mk3 sleeper amongst the Royal Train coaches. Hornby have a Mk3 sleeper (ex Lima) in their range and are currently listing it in Royal Train livery. A lot of the other coaches are converted TRUKs (Trailer Restaurant Unclassified Kitchen - I think) from HSTs. I think these may be the second catering vehicles that the early HST sets had , which were removed early in their lives and replaced by extra seating coaches. I'm sure no one has ever done a model of these. I've found one photo of the Prince of Wales' saloon in as Platform 5 spotters book, converted fronm one of these , and it has clearly acquired a few new windows of a small type not seen in any other Mk3s

Hornby also have a model of the Class 67 in their range , which they offer in Royal Train livery . Working the Royal Train is one of the limited uses the 67s see. The modern Royal Train is not normally worked by steam engines . The 67 is ex Limas - on the other hand it was the only vaguely "high spec" loco in the British Lima range . Hornby have modified it so the motor and drive train don't disintigrate during shipping and its a fair enough model , though hardly state of the art

But apparently this set features a 1930s steam engine , not a 67.

I would guess that Hornby have simply painted a couple of their standard Mk3s in Royal Train livery. Although the right general sort of coach, most coaches in the set would not be accurate models of any vehicle in the Royal Train, the train formation supplied would not be accurate for any normal combination of Royal Train coaches , and someof the commonly used vehicles are actually conversions of Mk2s not Mk3s

An accurate model of the Royal Train in some formation is possible , but it means a lot of fairly demanding work (I know someone who's done conversions/repaints for the 2 main Royal saloons)
 

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The loco was used in the 2002 (?) Golden Jubilee tour. Duchess of Sutherland pulled the royal train on the Wales leg of the tour, with 47747 Windsor Castle in EWS colours on the rear. there are pics of this on the internet but you will have to have a good look for them.

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Duchess of Sutherland was also used in 2005 to transport Charles and Camila to Balmoral in Scotland for their Honeymoon and it ran over the S&C.

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QUOTE (alibuchan @ 20 May 2007, 20:14) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Duchess of Sutherland was also used in 2005 to transport Charles and Camila to Balmoral in Scotland for their Honeymoon and it ran over the S&C.

Alistair

Really? wow, i will try and find some photo's of that.

Wonder why Princess Elizabeth never got a crown like Duchess of Sutherland did?
They both hauled the Queen in 2002 !
 

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There is a DvD called "British Steam 2002" from MRA whose opening shot is Dutchess of Sutherland pulling the Royal train and the Queen alighting from the train, You get an excellent shot of the the Royal headboard. Unfortunately you only get a few seconds of footage but the rest of the DvD is pretty good.

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QUOTE (alibuchan @ 20 May 2007, 10:35) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>The loco was used in the 2002 (?) Golden Jubilee tour. Duchess of Sutherland pulled the royal train on the Wales leg of the tour, with 47747 Windsor Castle in EWS colours on the rear. there are pics of this on the internet but you will have to have a good look for them.

Alistair
 
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