It's a nice idea but will they have the patience to proof read the copy? I get the impression that the people who compile the text for the catalogues don't actually understand what they are writing.
David
David
Historical information in future Bachmann catalogues
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Bachmann have sensibly given notice of this arrangement now as it permits others to consider the structure for their 2007 catalogues and thereby create an Era standard for British outline.
Dapol may adopt with gritted teeth given the hard time that Bachmann have given them recently and Hornby might argue that you do not need to fix what isn't broken.
I note this quote from the Bachmann marketing manager:-
QUOTE It is part of our policy to provide greater information for our customers".
Now does not every marketing man say this?
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The really important information that modellers want are when are the models going to be absolutely available and on the shelves. There is no accurate information about this anywhere and yet this has to be one of the most simple if not THE most simple things to tabulate. The rest is all secondary to that and the above effort suggests that the boys at Bachmann have some spare time on their hands suggesting models will be here later rather than sooner!
And its all very well saying what goes with what but I am not going to wait until December for a coach that goes with a loco that I purchased in January! We need to be slightly practical here and there are possibly things that Bachmann have overlooked. Are they going to suggest in their catalogue that a current Hornby coach would be ideal for their loco?
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And it sounds like a way of further padding out a catalogue and charging more for it!
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And how many new modellers actually assemble trains and rolling stock from appropriate Era's?
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Most go on favourite colours and create designer trains that match the wallpaper!
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I happen to run green coaches with most things because I happen to like green coaches!
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Doug is collecting trains that are blue because he has something about blue.
There is the story of that modeller who runs a Deltic through the Libyan desert during WW2 because he happens to like Deltics and happened to be a desert rat.
What I am saying is that most modellers don't actually like to conform and knowing the British modeller they are even less likely to now that we are being told what we have to do!!!
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Happy modelling
Gary
Dapol may adopt with gritted teeth given the hard time that Bachmann have given them recently and Hornby might argue that you do not need to fix what isn't broken.
I note this quote from the Bachmann marketing manager:-
QUOTE It is part of our policy to provide greater information for our customers".
Now does not every marketing man say this?
The really important information that modellers want are when are the models going to be absolutely available and on the shelves. There is no accurate information about this anywhere and yet this has to be one of the most simple if not THE most simple things to tabulate. The rest is all secondary to that and the above effort suggests that the boys at Bachmann have some spare time on their hands suggesting models will be here later rather than sooner!
And its all very well saying what goes with what but I am not going to wait until December for a coach that goes with a loco that I purchased in January! We need to be slightly practical here and there are possibly things that Bachmann have overlooked. Are they going to suggest in their catalogue that a current Hornby coach would be ideal for their loco?
And it sounds like a way of further padding out a catalogue and charging more for it!
And how many new modellers actually assemble trains and rolling stock from appropriate Era's?
Most go on favourite colours and create designer trains that match the wallpaper!
I happen to run green coaches with most things because I happen to like green coaches!
Doug is collecting trains that are blue because he has something about blue.
There is the story of that modeller who runs a Deltic through the Libyan desert during WW2 because he happens to like Deltics and happened to be a desert rat.
What I am saying is that most modellers don't actually like to conform and knowing the British modeller they are even less likely to now that we are being told what we have to do!!!
Happy modelling
Gary
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I think it's a step in the right direction. I have to admit with the quantity and variety of coaches available it is good to have a guide for what goes with what. If your like me and were not born when a lot of these locos and coaches were in everyday use then it is necessary. I suppose you can just run any coach with any loco but for us pedants out there we just have to do the right thing.
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When you have different style Hornby Pullmans from Bachmann ones you are left wondering "whats the difference"? Same with the BR ones. A lot of people just don't know and I'm one of them. It may be one is older than the other but it would be nice to know. The problem is having differing Eras and periods which are not compatible. In the German catalogues they all comply to the same system. All note which Era's the loco or whatever belongs to. An across the board standard would be the best idea rather than just inventing your own.
QUOTE the above effort suggests that the boys at Bachmann have some spare time on their hands suggesting models will be here later rather than sooner! If they do have spare time on their hands I'm sure we could compose a list of suggestions. My first would be making their Pullman coach light bulbs compatible with DCC. I"m sure there would be many more.
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When you have different style Hornby Pullmans from Bachmann ones you are left wondering "whats the difference"? Same with the BR ones. A lot of people just don't know and I'm one of them. It may be one is older than the other but it would be nice to know. The problem is having differing Eras and periods which are not compatible. In the German catalogues they all comply to the same system. All note which Era's the loco or whatever belongs to. An across the board standard would be the best idea rather than just inventing your own.
QUOTE the above effort suggests that the boys at Bachmann have some spare time on their hands suggesting models will be here later rather than sooner! If they do have spare time on their hands I'm sure we could compose a list of suggestions. My first would be making their Pullman coach light bulbs compatible with DCC. I"m sure there would be many more.
Personally I'm dying to see their "pioneering" and "pre-grouping" ranges....he he he
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Mk 1s ran on original and Commonwealth bogies (the latter rated for higher speeds) but which ran on what and when is a job for someone with far too much time on their hands....
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Mk 1s ran on original and Commonwealth bogies (the latter rated for higher speeds) but which ran on what and when is a job for someone with far too much time on their hands....
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The "pioneering" and "pre-grouping" period seems to have been included with Hornby in mind as they seem to be the experts at producing models for these periods. Nice of the boys at Bachmann to cover these eras for Hornby.
How will Bachmann cover Lord of the Isles and The Rocket in their 2007 catalogue I wonder?
Might this be a clue to a new Bachmann model for 2007 - City of Truro, or a Dukedog?
The fact that Bachmann have considered these periods means that somebody there must be thinking how they can fill these gaping voids.
Are we about to see a new range of Clerestory coaches?
Or LNWR rolling stock?
Does GWR count as both a pre-grouping and big four company?
Would anybody actually model anything before 1923?
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Maybe if the product was available modellers would?
Happy modelling
Gary
How will Bachmann cover Lord of the Isles and The Rocket in their 2007 catalogue I wonder?
Might this be a clue to a new Bachmann model for 2007 - City of Truro, or a Dukedog?
The fact that Bachmann have considered these periods means that somebody there must be thinking how they can fill these gaping voids.
Are we about to see a new range of Clerestory coaches?
Or LNWR rolling stock?
Does GWR count as both a pre-grouping and big four company?
Would anybody actually model anything before 1923?
Maybe if the product was available modellers would?
Happy modelling
Gary
At least it is a step in the right direction
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but there will be arguments for time evermore about the " eras" and how they are defined but at least it will give less knowledgable modellers a guide as to what locos run with which stock.Serious modellers will always have a lot of reference material to work from and can use this to more prescisely match stock and locos etc. At the end of the day any classification HAS to be a compromise so it will never please everyone
According to Parkin there were more than 2 types of bogie used with Mk1 stock but it really depends on how accurate you want top be. If it matters to you to have 100% accuracy buy the book for reference and kitbash your Mk1's replacing the bogies for the correct type otherwise does it really make a huge differance ?
According to Parkin there were more than 2 types of bogie used with Mk1 stock but it really depends on how accurate you want top be. If it matters to you to have 100% accuracy buy the book for reference and kitbash your Mk1's replacing the bogies for the correct type otherwise does it really make a huge differance ?
QUOTE And it sounds like a way of further padding out a catalogue and charging more for it!
Do many people still buy catalogues?
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I haven't bought a British one in five years as there doesn't seem to be all that many changes and there is very little new information. I tend to look at their websites now for new stuff. If this is an attempt to bulk out a catalogue I don't think it will convince many to buy for this reason.
Do many people still buy catalogues?
I haven't bought a British one in five years as there doesn't seem to be all that many changes and there is very little new information. I tend to look at their websites now for new stuff. If this is an attempt to bulk out a catalogue I don't think it will convince many to buy for this reason.
QUOTE (dwb @ 23 Apr 2006, 00:01) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>>interesting to note that the Class 25 diesel in Corporate blue falls into era 5 (1957-1966), and the green version of the same loco falls into era 7 (1971-1982)......
Bachmann Reply: "The error outlined by DWB was corrected immediately following the posting on this site. Unfortunately the two periods had been transposed during the information being added to the website products section."
Dennis Lovett continues: "I appreciate that the subject has caused considerable debate. It is a guide to those who do not have the historical knowledge surrounding Britain's railways that the members of this forum have."
You see, they do listen.
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Thanks Dennis for the info.
Bachmann Reply: "The error outlined by DWB was corrected immediately following the posting on this site. Unfortunately the two periods had been transposed during the information being added to the website products section."
Dennis Lovett continues: "I appreciate that the subject has caused considerable debate. It is a guide to those who do not have the historical knowledge surrounding Britain's railways that the members of this forum have."
You see, they do listen.
Thanks Dennis for the info.
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QUOTE (dwb @ 22 Apr 2006, 23:01) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>>interesting to note that the Class 25 diesel in Corporate blue falls into era 5 (1957-1966), and the green version of the same loco falls into era 7 (1971-1982)......
I rest my case (post #2). The marketing droids have spoken!
David
Bachmann making errors now thats totally out of character
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, though experience show's that they do listen to critiscm and take on board comments made to their products and this has shown with the newly re-tooled 37's for this year (wishful thinking) Hornby and Heljan could definitely take a leaf out of their book in this respect
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I rest my case (post #2). The marketing droids have spoken!
David
Bachmann making errors now thats totally out of character
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