There are a couple of carriages that fall into period 0. Does that mean they were horse drawn?
Historical information in future Bachmann catalogues
Bachmann Europe PLC today announced that it will show historical information alongside its products in future catalogues. Collectors and modellers have asked for more information on what coaches match with each locomotive and we have devised a system which will place each in a specific "historical period".
Bachmann Europe has led the way in many areas of the UK model railway market. Bachmann were the first manufacturer to introduce a UK outline DCC train set, first to produce models with a weathered finish and the first to introduce sprung buffers on UK models. Bachmann are breaking new ground by becoming the first UK supplier to devise a system which will place each locomotive and coach in a specific 'historical period'.
David Haarhaus Sales & Marketing Manager of Bachmann Europe PLC said today "our colleagues on the continent have been using the Epoch method of historical classification for many years. We feel that we should assist newcomers to the UK hobby in the same way. The history of Britain's railways is a fascinating and expansive subject. We have discussed the best way to do it justice without over complication. Our in-house team has come up with the table below. It is easy to forget, however, that many of the liveries survived longer than the period itself - indeed we still have units in service painted in Network SouthEast colours -12 years after the company ceased to exist"
David continued "we will launch this classification system on our websites www.bachmann.co.uk & www.grafar.co.uk. Each locomotive and coach will be accompanied by a symbol to indicate the historical period that it represents. It is part of our policy to provide greater information for our customers".
The following periods have been chosen by Bachmann and will apply across its Branchline and Farish ranges from publication of the 2007 catalogue.
They are:
Era / Period 1 1804-1875 - Pioneering
Era / Period 2 1875-1922 - Pre-Grouping
Era / Period 3 1923-1947 - The Big Four - LMS, GWR, LNER & SR
Era / Period 4 1948-1956 - British Railways Steam Era (Early Crest)
Era / Period 5 1957-1966 - British Railways (Late Crest)
Era / Period 6 1967-1971 - British Rail Corporate Pre -TOPS*
Era / Period 7 1971-1982 - British Rail Corporate Blue Post -TOPS*
Era / Period 8 1982-1994 - British Rail Sectorisation
Era / Period 9 1995 onwards - Post privatisation
* TOPS = Total Operations Processing System adopted when British Rail introduced a computerised numbering system in 1971 for its locomotives and rolling stock. Locomotives were renumbered into classes which formed the first two digits of each number.
Bachmann Europe has led the way in many areas of the UK model railway market. Bachmann were the first manufacturer to introduce a UK outline DCC train set, first to produce models with a weathered finish and the first to introduce sprung buffers on UK models. Bachmann are breaking new ground by becoming the first UK supplier to devise a system which will place each locomotive and coach in a specific 'historical period'.
David Haarhaus Sales & Marketing Manager of Bachmann Europe PLC said today "our colleagues on the continent have been using the Epoch method of historical classification for many years. We feel that we should assist newcomers to the UK hobby in the same way. The history of Britain's railways is a fascinating and expansive subject. We have discussed the best way to do it justice without over complication. Our in-house team has come up with the table below. It is easy to forget, however, that many of the liveries survived longer than the period itself - indeed we still have units in service painted in Network SouthEast colours -12 years after the company ceased to exist"
David continued "we will launch this classification system on our websites www.bachmann.co.uk & www.grafar.co.uk. Each locomotive and coach will be accompanied by a symbol to indicate the historical period that it represents. It is part of our policy to provide greater information for our customers".
The following periods have been chosen by Bachmann and will apply across its Branchline and Farish ranges from publication of the 2007 catalogue.
They are:
Era / Period 1 1804-1875 - Pioneering
Era / Period 2 1875-1922 - Pre-Grouping
Era / Period 3 1923-1947 - The Big Four - LMS, GWR, LNER & SR
Era / Period 4 1948-1956 - British Railways Steam Era (Early Crest)
Era / Period 5 1957-1966 - British Railways (Late Crest)
Era / Period 6 1967-1971 - British Rail Corporate Pre -TOPS*
Era / Period 7 1971-1982 - British Rail Corporate Blue Post -TOPS*
Era / Period 8 1982-1994 - British Rail Sectorisation
Era / Period 9 1995 onwards - Post privatisation
* TOPS = Total Operations Processing System adopted when British Rail introduced a computerised numbering system in 1971 for its locomotives and rolling stock. Locomotives were renumbered into classes which formed the first two digits of each number.
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You'd need a lot of horses to pull Bachmann Mk1s as these are particularly heavy!
Russell
Russell
Not as many as you might think. After all, one heavy horse could pull a ten ton wagon on the level with relative ease.... do the maths!
60134
60134
it would be nice if we actually had some stock to fill these era's.
i have long been asking for some "era 1" stock
and is there anything pre 1925 in the catalouge. that means there is 100 years withought a single item of stock.
Peter
i have long been asking for some "era 1" stock
and is there anything pre 1925 in the catalouge. that means there is 100 years withought a single item of stock.
Peter
A quick glance through the catalogue reveals some prototypes that could carry pre-grouping liveries:
GWR Churchward 43XX
GWR Churchward 45XX
NER J72
SECR N Class
Oh well.....
60134
GWR Churchward 43XX
GWR Churchward 45XX
NER J72
SECR N Class
Oh well.....
60134
I don't think this works.
It is a quickie "Oh, shove something in there, Fred, we need something that'll do" fix.
The problem is, saying that all 1957-1966 stock is Era 5 will just confuse people. Hornby give the catalogue numbers of suitable stock to run with locos- so that you run SR Coaches with SR Locos, NSE 50s with NSE Mk. 2s etc.
If I don't have a clue about railways, I won't know which models are passenger locos, and which are freight, and, for BR, which region suits an engine- I could end up with a "Lord Nelson" hauling maroon Thompson coaches (O.K., it probably did happen, but not a lot). I could have a 1920s SR N Class in Olive green from "Era 3" hauling post-war GWR coaches, also from "Era 3". Lumping things into "Eras" is no use.
Take, for example, Continental railways. Now, I know next to nothing about Continental railways- if I could afford anything, it would be bought on a "Ooooh, that looks nice basis" because the catalogue is devoid of information. Saying an NS engine is Era V doesn't assist me. Is it passenger? Is it freight? Is it container freight? Petroleum? Vans? Prototypical running of Continental stock going by the catalogues is hard unless you have plenty of books, and/or can afford to visit your chosen area- by which time, you;ve probably become a railway buff about whatever it is you like, and you therefore do not need the Era system.
Nice try, but the wrong way to go about it- they should copy Hornby's method.
RM
It is a quickie "Oh, shove something in there, Fred, we need something that'll do" fix.
The problem is, saying that all 1957-1966 stock is Era 5 will just confuse people. Hornby give the catalogue numbers of suitable stock to run with locos- so that you run SR Coaches with SR Locos, NSE 50s with NSE Mk. 2s etc.
If I don't have a clue about railways, I won't know which models are passenger locos, and which are freight, and, for BR, which region suits an engine- I could end up with a "Lord Nelson" hauling maroon Thompson coaches (O.K., it probably did happen, but not a lot). I could have a 1920s SR N Class in Olive green from "Era 3" hauling post-war GWR coaches, also from "Era 3". Lumping things into "Eras" is no use.
Take, for example, Continental railways. Now, I know next to nothing about Continental railways- if I could afford anything, it would be bought on a "Ooooh, that looks nice basis" because the catalogue is devoid of information. Saying an NS engine is Era V doesn't assist me. Is it passenger? Is it freight? Is it container freight? Petroleum? Vans? Prototypical running of Continental stock going by the catalogues is hard unless you have plenty of books, and/or can afford to visit your chosen area- by which time, you;ve probably become a railway buff about whatever it is you like, and you therefore do not need the Era system.
Nice try, but the wrong way to go about it- they should copy Hornby's method.
RM
QUOTE The problem is, saying that all 1957-1966 stock is Era 5 will just confuse people. Hornby give the catalogue numbers of suitable stock to run with locos- so that you run SR Coaches with SR Locos, NSE 50s with NSE Mk. 2s etc.
Agreed completely. Hornbys method is probably the best and would be one that other manufacturers would benefit from using.
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Agreed completely. Hornbys method is probably the best and would be one that other manufacturers would benefit from using.
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QUOTE (neil_s_wood @ 27 Apr 2006, 01:24) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Agreed completely. Hornbys method is probably the best and would be one that other manufacturers would benefit from using.
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Agreed,in theory,this works fine,but whoever writes the captions to the illustrations in Hornby's catalogue [or does the proofreading],needs to swot up on their railway history,-it's riddled with errors!
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Agreed,in theory,this works fine,but whoever writes the captions to the illustrations in Hornby's catalogue [or does the proofreading],needs to swot up on their railway history,-it's riddled with errors!
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I've noticed a further problem with the Bachy way:
Some of the Eras do not sit with particular companies- for example, "Sectorisation" lasts from 1982-1994. Now, if Bachmann label up their NSE 108 as Era 8, then I could, in theory, decide that my layout, set in 1982/1983/84/85/'til June 1986 (for some obscure reason, such as "The year I left school" or "The year I was born"), was suited to an NSE 108, when, in fact, it isn't.
A 303 (if Bachy produced one) could be described (livery depending) as "Era 9", but a First Scotrail 170 is also "Era 9"- yet the 303s had all, by 2005, been withdrawn!
RM
Some of the Eras do not sit with particular companies- for example, "Sectorisation" lasts from 1982-1994. Now, if Bachmann label up their NSE 108 as Era 8, then I could, in theory, decide that my layout, set in 1982/1983/84/85/'til June 1986 (for some obscure reason, such as "The year I left school" or "The year I was born"), was suited to an NSE 108, when, in fact, it isn't.
A 303 (if Bachy produced one) could be described (livery depending) as "Era 9", but a First Scotrail 170 is also "Era 9"- yet the 303s had all, by 2005, been withdrawn!
RM
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