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At least you have beaten Hornby to it Doug.
Don't get into trouble!!
Darren
At least you have beaten Hornby to it Doug.
Don't get into trouble!!
Darren
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There's quite a few nice items in there. Interesting to see they are doing an even more budget range along the lines of Roco's playtime range. I really hope their new GNER 225 is an improvement on the previous. If so it might be easier for me to buy a new one instead of having to convert my old one. Shame there is no A4 in BR blue.
The Skaledale range seems to get better and better, probably Hornby's best product.
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The Skaledale range seems to get better and better, probably Hornby's best product.
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Looks like another great selection! I can't wait for the Royal Scot!
I agree with Neil, its a shame there's no BR blue on the A4's - I'd buy another just for that livery, and I already have 2 of them.
The 07 range seems to be a bit lacking in new diesel models though?
I agree with Neil, its a shame there's no BR blue on the A4's - I'd buy another just for that livery, and I already have 2 of them.
The 07 range seems to be a bit lacking in new diesel models though?
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>I can't wait for the Royal Scot!
There is no detail on what decoder is being fitted. The RR prices published by Hattons for the "DCC Fitted" Britannia class locomotives indicate a price premium of £15. Given that Hornby sell the standalone decoder for £10, one would hope that there will be advanced functions in the onboard decoder, so that those of us who use high function decoders are not faced with not only buying a decoder we don't want but also facing a tricky replacement installation because "Hornby know best" and have used a hardwired non-standard fitment. One might also hope that since the price premium for digital Scalextric cars is less than the cost of a decoder that the "DCC fitted" decoders are indeed better than the after market conversions.
For those that have no intention of going DCC, and they are going to be upset to excluded from two LMS classes which were a common sight in the post war period.
The Bachmann DCC premium is considerably less than Hornby's.
So, whilst I am not very happy about the Scot / Patriot / Stanier Tank situation at present, I am not going to rant until I have some hard facts on Hornby's intentions. I suspect the best way to get those is to corner some one from Hornby at an exhibition.
For the present - "I've got a bad feeling about this"
David
There is no detail on what decoder is being fitted. The RR prices published by Hattons for the "DCC Fitted" Britannia class locomotives indicate a price premium of £15. Given that Hornby sell the standalone decoder for £10, one would hope that there will be advanced functions in the onboard decoder, so that those of us who use high function decoders are not faced with not only buying a decoder we don't want but also facing a tricky replacement installation because "Hornby know best" and have used a hardwired non-standard fitment. One might also hope that since the price premium for digital Scalextric cars is less than the cost of a decoder that the "DCC fitted" decoders are indeed better than the after market conversions.
For those that have no intention of going DCC, and they are going to be upset to excluded from two LMS classes which were a common sight in the post war period.
The Bachmann DCC premium is considerably less than Hornby's.
So, whilst I am not very happy about the Scot / Patriot / Stanier Tank situation at present, I am not going to rant until I have some hard facts on Hornby's intentions. I suspect the best way to get those is to corner some one from Hornby at an exhibition.
For the present - "I've got a bad feeling about this"
David
QUOTE (dwb @ 1 Jan 2007, 11:36) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>>I can't wait for the Royal Scot!
There is no detail on what decoder is being fitted. The RR prices published by Hattons for the "DCC Fitted" Britannia class locomotives indicate a price premium of £15. Given that Hornby sell the standalone decoder for £10, one would hope that there will be advanced functions in the onboard decoder, so that those of us who use high function decoders are not faced with not only buying a decoder we don't want but also facing a tricky replacement installation because "Hornby know best" and have used a hardwired non-standard fitment. One might also hope that since the price premium for digital Scalextric cars is less than the cost of a decoder that the "DCC fitted" decoders are indeed better than the after market conversions.
For those that have no intention of going DCC, and they are going to be upset to excluded from two LMS classes which were a common sight in the post war period.
The Bachmann DCC premium is considerably less than Hornby's.
So, whilst I am not very happy about the Scot / Patriot / Stanier Tank situation at present, I am not going to rant until I have some hard facts on Hornby's intentions. I suspect the best way to get those is to corner some one from Hornby at an exhibition.
For the present - "I've got a bad feeling about this"
David
Same here David,
I really do hope they don't cock up the sales of the 56 by fitting a limited chip/hardwired one.
Maybe Bachmann will keep their new releases a bit closer to home reference the Jubilee's and Scotts.
I do feel that it will hurt both company sales having almost similar LMS 4-6-0 releases as each other, maybe they may get away with them all being different liveries but I hope this isn't a trend between the 2 and Bachmann do a 56 next year!!
The Skaledale range is looking very good again, problem being you need a full sized railway to fit it all on!
Nice to see the Duchess return in a pack but then include Toy building's. Putting a Skaledale station in would be more appropiate i think due to the cost of the set.
Darren
There is no detail on what decoder is being fitted. The RR prices published by Hattons for the "DCC Fitted" Britannia class locomotives indicate a price premium of £15. Given that Hornby sell the standalone decoder for £10, one would hope that there will be advanced functions in the onboard decoder, so that those of us who use high function decoders are not faced with not only buying a decoder we don't want but also facing a tricky replacement installation because "Hornby know best" and have used a hardwired non-standard fitment. One might also hope that since the price premium for digital Scalextric cars is less than the cost of a decoder that the "DCC fitted" decoders are indeed better than the after market conversions.
For those that have no intention of going DCC, and they are going to be upset to excluded from two LMS classes which were a common sight in the post war period.
The Bachmann DCC premium is considerably less than Hornby's.
So, whilst I am not very happy about the Scot / Patriot / Stanier Tank situation at present, I am not going to rant until I have some hard facts on Hornby's intentions. I suspect the best way to get those is to corner some one from Hornby at an exhibition.
For the present - "I've got a bad feeling about this"
David
Same here David,
I really do hope they don't cock up the sales of the 56 by fitting a limited chip/hardwired one.
Maybe Bachmann will keep their new releases a bit closer to home reference the Jubilee's and Scotts.
I do feel that it will hurt both company sales having almost similar LMS 4-6-0 releases as each other, maybe they may get away with them all being different liveries but I hope this isn't a trend between the 2 and Bachmann do a 56 next year!!
The Skaledale range is looking very good again, problem being you need a full sized railway to fit it all on!
Nice to see the Duchess return in a pack but then include Toy building's. Putting a Skaledale station in would be more appropiate i think due to the cost of the set.
Darren
Has anyone noticed that the box illustration for the R1092 City Freight set shows a BR Green Deltic complete with WIPAC light clusters!! Nice
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I think this has probably come from the modified tooling used by Lima to produce the Portabrook Purple 'Gordon Highlander' a few years back. Lets hope it's corrected before production begins.
I think this has probably come from the modified tooling used by Lima to produce the Portabrook Purple 'Gordon Highlander' a few years back. Lets hope it's corrected before production begins.
Like previous correspondants also worried about Hornbys DCC stance.
Incidentally the quote is that 2007 25% are expected to be DCC users not that there already are 25%.
I am a DC'er (can see advantages of DCC but would have huge collection to chip). I wonder at how well these pre chipped locos will go on DC. I know Hornby say they will but given some of the issues over their low cost Select unit I do wonder.
The thing is , if they get it wrong and their DCC Imposed locos overheat on DC or are irratic , or don't run on feedback contollers, or dont run with relcos etc etc,by their own definition they have excluded 75% of the market. Further a proportion of the other 25% may well have wished to have chosen their own chip.
The sensible move would have to made everything DCC ready with locos and where this is not possible , due to tight spaces, eg the M7 ,supplied in chipped and non chipped form.
I sense that Hornby are seeing an opportunity for a price hike here by claiming it costs an extra £15 to instal a chip. I also have this horrible feeling the DCC part will be hard wired so that those DCCers who want to replace the chip and DC'ers who just want to get rid of it will find it hard to do. There is a sense of "Hornby knows best" in Margate which is worrying.
Could we get Hornby to make a statement on what they exactly mean by DCC Installed? It might save a lot of angst and debate on these forums if they made a statement now.
On the Royal Scot and Patriot, Bachmann could yet seize the initiative by making the locos DCC ready enabling us all to have a choice!
Russell
Incidentally the quote is that 2007 25% are expected to be DCC users not that there already are 25%.
I am a DC'er (can see advantages of DCC but would have huge collection to chip). I wonder at how well these pre chipped locos will go on DC. I know Hornby say they will but given some of the issues over their low cost Select unit I do wonder.
The thing is , if they get it wrong and their DCC Imposed locos overheat on DC or are irratic , or don't run on feedback contollers, or dont run with relcos etc etc,by their own definition they have excluded 75% of the market. Further a proportion of the other 25% may well have wished to have chosen their own chip.
The sensible move would have to made everything DCC ready with locos and where this is not possible , due to tight spaces, eg the M7 ,supplied in chipped and non chipped form.
I sense that Hornby are seeing an opportunity for a price hike here by claiming it costs an extra £15 to instal a chip. I also have this horrible feeling the DCC part will be hard wired so that those DCCers who want to replace the chip and DC'ers who just want to get rid of it will find it hard to do. There is a sense of "Hornby knows best" in Margate which is worrying.
Could we get Hornby to make a statement on what they exactly mean by DCC Installed? It might save a lot of angst and debate on these forums if they made a statement now.
On the Royal Scot and Patriot, Bachmann could yet seize the initiative by making the locos DCC ready enabling us all to have a choice!
Russell
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There is one defence for Hornby on the new DCC only loco introductions - It gives all those DCC set buyers some ready to run locos to look forward to during the year; since Hornby have a track record of introducing multiple liveries/numbering on subsequent runs, there is reason to hope that there will be "DCC Ready" Scots, Patriots and Stanier tanks in the future.
No early fifties black 13xxx diesel shunter yet though
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David
No early fifties black 13xxx diesel shunter yet though
David
The launch of a new budget range is very welcome as is the clear distinction it will make between the super detailed models and the family friendly models. The suggestion that all budget models will run on radius 1 curves is also welcome. This is probably going to be the home of much of the Hornby Lima range and it might mean that we get the old Lima British outline steam locos back in production at some point.
Interesting that its the overseas division of Hornby that requested the surface mounted electrical point and uncoupler ramp accesories. It does seem that table top operation is very popular abroad and clearly table top electrical accesories are required. It would not do for young Hans to start cutting holes in his mothers best black forest dining room table!
Hornby have gone for "DCC Fitted". Seems much clearer to me that "DCC Onboard". No use of the Bachmann Epoch system. Don't forget "DCC Fitted" locos will run with analogue DC control so sales will not be restricted to the anticipated 25% of those who go for DCC in 2007.
Happy modelling
Gary
Interesting that its the overseas division of Hornby that requested the surface mounted electrical point and uncoupler ramp accesories. It does seem that table top operation is very popular abroad and clearly table top electrical accesories are required. It would not do for young Hans to start cutting holes in his mothers best black forest dining room table!
Hornby have gone for "DCC Fitted". Seems much clearer to me that "DCC Onboard". No use of the Bachmann Epoch system. Don't forget "DCC Fitted" locos will run with analogue DC control so sales will not be restricted to the anticipated 25% of those who go for DCC in 2007.
Happy modelling
Gary
Yes Gary but the key point was exactly how well will the DCC fitted locos run on DC. Will they run if a Relco system is in use? Also for DCCers I imagine they will want to know about functionality of the chip used.
Hornby could save a lot of speculation and grief by answering these points in detail now. It assumes that they know, of course, and that engineering isn't just following marketing hype!
Russell
Hornby could save a lot of speculation and grief by answering these points in detail now. It assumes that they know, of course, and that engineering isn't just following marketing hype!
Russell
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2007 will be an interesting year for DCC.
We will see if "DCC Fitted" equates to quality or ends up causing unwanted despair.
Regarding Hornby's offering, we'll see the Elite soon, but not much else announced that shakes the market for 2007. The listed items: booster, reversing loop device are pretty much standard and won't be used on the majority of home layouts.
This year, we'll see updated Bachmann and Lenz products and the overall DCC market will grow even more. Lets hope that Hornby can sort out all the teething problems that it's clients are having with the starter sets and produce a solid foundation for future model rail enthusiasts.
We will see if "DCC Fitted" equates to quality or ends up causing unwanted despair.
Regarding Hornby's offering, we'll see the Elite soon, but not much else announced that shakes the market for 2007. The listed items: booster, reversing loop device are pretty much standard and won't be used on the majority of home layouts.
This year, we'll see updated Bachmann and Lenz products and the overall DCC market will grow even more. Lets hope that Hornby can sort out all the teething problems that it's clients are having with the starter sets and produce a solid foundation for future model rail enthusiasts.
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QUOTE (rb277170 @ 1 Jan 2007, 14:02) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Yes Gary but the key point was exactly how well will the DCC fitted locos run on DC. Will they run if a Relco system is in use? Also for DCCers I imagine they will want to know about functionality of the chip used.
Hornby could save a lot of speculation and grief by answering these points in detail now. It assumes that they know, of course, and that engineering isn't just following marketing hype!
Russell
My experience of DCC locos fitted with a variety of decoders (including some "top end" such as the Lenz Gold & ESU Lokpilot) is that the DC analogue running is not as good as it is without the decoder. It may also be a problem with people who use feedback controllers & Relco type device's. Maybe the decoder that H are fitting is "Feedback/Relco proof".
Fried Chips anyone ? - I hope I'm wrong !
Hornby could save a lot of speculation and grief by answering these points in detail now. It assumes that they know, of course, and that engineering isn't just following marketing hype!
Russell
My experience of DCC locos fitted with a variety of decoders (including some "top end" such as the Lenz Gold & ESU Lokpilot) is that the DC analogue running is not as good as it is without the decoder. It may also be a problem with people who use feedback controllers & Relco type device's. Maybe the decoder that H are fitting is "Feedback/Relco proof".
Fried Chips anyone ? - I hope I'm wrong !
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QUOTE I agree with Neil, its a shame there's no BR blue on the A4's - I'd buy another just for that livery, and I already have 2 of them.
Me too but I want one in every livery available.
QUOTE For the present - "I've got a bad feeling about this"
Yep, I know where you're coming from.
QUOTE The sensible move would have to made everything DCC ready with locos
Agreed
QUOTE There is a sense of "Hornby knows best" in Margate which is worrying.
I suspect they are trying to lock customers in to their product. The problem is that their are only two big producers of UK outline and whether you like Hornbys product or not you're stuck with it. There isn't anywhere else to go other than Bachmann and unfortunately they don't do models of everything.
Me too but I want one in every livery available.
QUOTE For the present - "I've got a bad feeling about this"
Yep, I know where you're coming from.
QUOTE The sensible move would have to made everything DCC ready with locos
Agreed
QUOTE There is a sense of "Hornby knows best" in Margate which is worrying.
I suspect they are trying to lock customers in to their product. The problem is that their are only two big producers of UK outline and whether you like Hornbys product or not you're stuck with it. There isn't anywhere else to go other than Bachmann and unfortunately they don't do models of everything.
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Can anyone tell me why Hornby are putting the new models out DCC fitted? I find this very annoying as although I can see all the benefits of DCC with a stud of over sixty locos it would cost a small fortune to chip every one of them and I'm quite happy running on good old fashioned analogue.
It seems that Hornby are trying to screw me out of £15 extra per loco for something I don't want. If that is their way forward then I hope for more duplication between them and Bachmann so I can buy their product.
On a positive note I can't wait to get my hands on a set of Maunsell coaches and the prices look to be very reasonable for latest generation coaching stock.
Arethusa
It seems that Hornby are trying to screw me out of £15 extra per loco for something I don't want. If that is their way forward then I hope for more duplication between them and Bachmann so I can buy their product.
On a positive note I can't wait to get my hands on a set of Maunsell coaches and the prices look to be very reasonable for latest generation coaching stock.
Arethusa
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