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On MREMag Pats dropping some fairly heavy hints about Hornby 2008. Add this to a leaked order form from Merv Smith Hobbies, which I think is in Australia, some time ago (denied by Hornby and widely rubbished at the time) and I think a picture of at least part of Hornbys program emerges

R 2683 LMS Single 14010 Lined Black

R 2684 LNER A4 Gold "Mallard" 70th Anniversary

World Speed Record

R 2685 1948 Formation of British Railways "Bude"

R 2686A Last Steam BR Train 40th Anniversary

Black 544781

R 2686B Last Steam BR Train 40th Anniversary

Black 544871

R 2688 Sir Nigel Gresley (70 year Hornby 00 Scale)

R 2689 Streamlined "Duchess of Hamilton"

R 2690 NRM LSWR Green Class T9 30120

R 2706 The Flying Dutchman Train Pack (Class 3031

GWR with 3 Coaches)

Fits in pretty well with Pats hints on the anniversary of Hornby Dublo,Nationalisation of Railways and the last steam run don't you think?

Come on Hornby , It is the internet age of instant information , lets not have the idiotic 00.01am 01/01/08 release! Announce your plans at press release day and let it hit internet

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You have a point Russell.
If I was Hornby I'd be releasing it piecemeal - far more mileage I would have thought.

Merv Smith is a former radio celebrity from Auckland and a lifelong modeller mainly North American.
An Australian site (I can't remember which) did something similar. It was widely poo-pooed in some quarters but I think if something like that happens in two countries it's a huge conspiracy!
More likely I think it's Australasian dealers making an effort not to be the poor relation in terms of timing.
 

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well....i think that sounds about right except i would throw in an HST. i dont think we can ignore the video footage of SK sitting in Grand Central headquaters! i asked him about this at warley and he said he hadnt seen the programme but was supprised to be recieving lots of rude E-mails and text messages the next day!

I too think the hornbysecrecy thing is a little daft. 5 years i understood why they did it, it was because of the lead times for magazines. but now, i really dont think the mags are our primary source of information and i think it would be better if it really was a secret untill that night.

But on the other hand. look, we have a whole thread devoted to hornby's new products and we dont even know for sure what they are yet!!

SK also said quite firmly that the railroad range items would be announced at the same time as the standard range stuff. so this list could not possibly be complete. (unless they are having yet another "year of consolidation"!)

for the record, there are 2 things on that list i would buy. the T9 and the streamlined duchess (prividing it was not in black) i am not sure about the LMS single. i asume its going to be anoter one of the old tool loco's in which case i will only buy it if the price is right.

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I remember the days when you found out about new models when you bought & then opened the catalogue & not before.

Unless, of course you lived in the Margate area ;

"psssst - anyone want to buy a new locomotive that is'nt even in the shops yet ? - sorry no box"
 

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Forgetting the UK for a minute and its traditions as they relate to new model announcements is it any different outside the UK?

Are UK hobbyists the only ones that appear absolutely possessed with finding out what new goodies their local mainstream manaufacturers are going to release each year?

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QUOTE (pedromorgan @ 7 Dec 2007, 06:24) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>well....i think that sounds about right except i would throw in an HST. i dont think we can ignore the video footage of SK sitting in Grand Central headquaters!

I would go along with that especially in the light of the "damaged" Lima power car tools. I also think we may have a few surprises in the railroad range - possibly with some of the old Lima tools being used.

QUOTE (dbclass50 @ 7 Dec 2007, 09:01) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I remember the days when you found out about new models when you bought & then opened the catalogue & not before.

Unless, of course you lived in the Margate area ;

"psssst - anyone want to buy a new locomotive that is'nt even in the shops yet ? - sorry no box"

Which is exactly how I obtained a green class 25 back in the 70's


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Er this "list" "leaked from Down Under" has been peddled a couple of times on another forum by new posters with one or two postings [very suspicious!] and has been officially denied.

It has been pointed out elsewhere that the Caley Single never carried LMS lined black , and apparently Bude was a particularly non-standard West Country out of a not-very-standard class, and apparently wasn't in normal condition or something for the exchange , meaning it would amount to a complete new model

Current consensus is that the list is a plausible fake

(If someone picked up the hint of the Bachmann NRM Deltic, and the speculation about a T9 , "NRM limited edition T9" would be a plausible sounding bit of guess work , as would limited editions of the 2 steam engines on the 15 Guinea Special given that Hornby have both types in their range)

My guess , for what its worth of the real list:

ROD
B12
T9
Castle or just possibly HST power cars
No new coaches (bits of the Maunsell range are still outstanding)
Wagons -
LNER and LMS opens /vans,
original Freightliner flat
Horsebox
Cattle wagon

An A4 release marking 70th anniversary of Mallard's run , and of the launch of Hornby Dublo with an A4 is a pretty obvious idea as well.
 

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QUOTE (Ravenser @ 7 Dec 2007, 13:26) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>apparently Bude was a particularly non-standard West Country out of a not-very-standard class, and apparently wasn't in normal condition or something for the exchange , meaning it would amount to a complete new model

Bude ran in Malachite green with I think the number 34006 in "sunshine" lettering on the cab. The biggest difference was that it was attached to a black LMS stanier tender marked L M S. This was due to Southern tenders not having water scoops. It would make an interesting model though.

Just remembered the front of the cab was different on the early West Countries, it didn't have the angled front.

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QUOTE (Ravenser @ 7 Dec 2007, 13:26) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Er this "list" "leaked from Down Under" has been peddled a couple of times on another forum by new posters with one or two postings [very suspicious!] and has been officially denied.

Thats not entirly accurate. Hornby said the list had "inacuracies" weather these were in the loco lineup or it could be something as simple as getting the "R" numbers wrong.

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Yes should point out that this list was peddled a few months ago. It was widely derided at the time and Hornby denied it- but then they would wouldn't they.

What has changed is the broad hints dropped by Pat in MREmag which tend to give some credence to the list.Unless Pat is being extremely mischievious, which I doubt.

I imagine this is only part of the 2008 program, and possibly only the limited editions to be produced. Suspect that the main program will include a T9 in Southern and BR colours, the one listed here as a limited edition is only L&SWR. Also I agree that a fully retooled and DCC sound equiped HST power car would be a good bet, in light of the tools for the old LIMA one mysteriously developing a fault. Then , of course there was SKs deliberate error about an Electrostar in the Model Rail interview..............fits in with Hornby making everything Southern! I could see how they would go for a unit with limited geographical appeal , as opposed to something more widespread such as a 313/314/315/507/508!

What is guaranteed is that the locos will go up in price by the standard £5!

Ah 'tis the season to be jolly!

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Like everyone else I'll be interested to see what Hornby (and Bachmann) produce for 2008, but am growing concerned by the cost involved. My layout is a hobby, and to be honest given the current price of items being sold by Hornby I won't be buying much next year. The railroad is a good idea for the "toy" market, but compared with the standard range it just doesn't look right. I guess quality costs, but I do wonder if Hornby are being just a little bit too greedy?
Just looking on the Hornby website whilst writing this, is it my imagination or are we still waiting for a lot of 2007 loco's to be released?

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QUOTE (BRITHO @ 7 Dec 2007, 13:41) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Bude ran in Malachite green with I think the number 34006 in "sunshine" lettering on the cab. The biggest difference was that it was attached to a black LMS stanier tender marked L M S. This was due to Southern tenders not having water scoops. It would make an interesting model though.

Just remembered the front of the cab was different on the early West Countries, it didn't have the angled front.

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Bude ? wasn't that the one with longer 'wind-deflectors'?
Also, wasn't there rumour of Hornby doing a Stanier body for the Fowler 2-6-4T.
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If you want to be REALLY cynical Hornby could once they realised the list was out then alter some things to prove their point!
 

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QUOTE (pedromorgan @ 7 Dec 2007, 06:24) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>well....i think that sounds about right except i would throw in an HST. i dont think we can ignore the video footage of SK sitting in Grand Central headquaters! i asked him about this at warley and he said he hadnt seen the programme but was supprised to be recieving lots of rude E-mails and text messages the next day!

Peter

Also talking to Simon at Warley he was asking what I'd like them to do when we got around to coaches I said that the mkIII would be the obvious choice with Bachmann having done the most common types of mkI and started the mkII also should the rumour mill be right and a new HST power car be in the offing then it would need some new stock because the current coaches wouldn't stand up to the detail of the loco, Simon said that he thought they would. New class 43 but no new stock? Surly the chance to introduce the correct HST and loco hauled stock would make it worth while.

He did say that Hornby could improve on the mkI that Backmann do and with the length of service of these it would make it worth doing. Personally I don't see much wrong with them, except maybe decorated interiours. If they did do mkIs I won't be buying any as I've only just replaced all my Lima mkIs with Bachmann.

He also was quite interested in a sugestion of mine to do their re-built West Country as Taw Valley as she was while she was promoting the Harry Potter books before the films were made.
 

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In around 23 days time, all will be revealed - does it really matter if we know earlier ? - we still won't be able to purchase them any earlier!
 

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QUOTE (Sol @ 8 Dec 2007, 10:14) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>In around 23 days time, all will be revealed - does it really matter if we know earlier ? - we still won't be able to purchase them any earlier!

Quite true Sol. I think it's human nature to anticipate. News can be scarce so for at least some of us any inkling is seized upon!
I suppose I'll have to prepare some sauces to eat with my hat should I be wrong...I'll probably go for sweet chilli!
 

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I think the Mk3's are pretty good but have been let down by livery inaccuracies. I really dont think there is any point in doing yet more Mk1's i wouldnt buy any as i have some very good bachmann ones that there is nothing wrong with. if hornby retooled them then any improvement over the Bachmann ones i am sure would not justify the inevitable doubling of the cost.

How about some coaches from another of the big 4? the GWR modellers would never be satisfied with anything unless it was correct down to the very last rivit. the southern modellers are getting some maunsell stock. but there is really not much for the LMS despite the number of loco's that they have tooled for that line. -just a thought.

Peter
 
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