Hornby and Bachmann 2007

"garrett" they better not i have just built the kits! it would be baseball bat time if they announced that one!

i am usually dissapointed with the new releases. (i want grand things and i get bread and butter) so i am setting my sights pretty low.

I think sometime in the 3 or 4 years we are bound to have a 66 from hornby. yes i know bachmann do one but its going to be the diggest class of loco in the uk for the next 25 years so they cant afford not to have a slice of that cake.

I think we will get the Roco track (rubber roadbed) rebranded for hornby. the couplers went that way and i think the track will too.

southern Maunsell stock.

I think an upgraded HST must be comming soon.
Apart from that i think it will be an uneventfull year. just upgrades and repaints.

I would like to see them keep something secret for a mid year supprise. that would keep the speculation going.

Peter

QUOTE i want grand things and i get bread and butter

I think there is a distinct lack of 'bread and butter' loco's in the ranges [especially Hornby],-there is a dearth of workaday black 0-6-0 locos for instance compared with amount of colourful,named,express passenger types,however,-I can't see the situation changing in the near future..

QUOTE I think we will get the Roco track (rubber roadbed) rebranded for hornby.

Don't think so, as Hornby's 'trackmat' system is all based around their standard track [the boxes of which already carry 'Lima,Roco,Rivarossi' branding] but you never know...

QUOTE southern Maunsell stock.

This rumour has been doing the rounds for a while now,-evidently Hornby's guys have been seen measuring up Maunsell stock on the Bluebell Railway,so I also hope that these appear in the range..

Along with a superdetailed 'Schools' loco..

Maybe Hornby will 'revisit' the other 4-4-0's that they had in the range as well.

On the D&E front,I think there could be a market for a decent A/C electric loco,although a Class 71 or a Class 76 would be nice...
...and as for a Class 14 or a 22.. [ok,-drifting off into the realms of fantasy there.. ]

it would be great to see some super detailed electrics.but the earlier 8x000 loco's would be a minefield for the manufacturer.
i would love to see bachmann do the 377? that runs from fenchurch street. i suspect they already have the reaserch and part of it must be common to the 170. (i know the bodyshells are shorter).

i think a desiro would be a good bet for a manufacturer. its going to be around for a very long time. although the livery's are limited at the moment the design is very nearly common for all the different types and should be a fairly easy design excercise (the 444 vehicles are slightly longer)

I am still waiting to see the pendolino. i am expecting the worst but i just hope the vehicles are the correct length and i can do the detailing myself.

Today is really slow. i have 4 more hours to kill before i can go home.

Peter

Hornby:

new HST
56 or 58
something else diesel - retooled Pacer? Replacement for the 110??
And a kettle. (ROD 2-8-0 would fit nicely into their range)
Pendolino
Maunsell coaches
Wagons?
Real wildcard - new catenary system to go with the Pendolino
just possibly - buckjumper to replace their J83

Bachmann:
47 (will Hornby release the ex Lima 47 as a spoiler?)
LMS 4-6-0s (probably 2 of them?)
4-CEP
Upgrade of the B1 ??
BR 2MT 2-6-0?
new 43xx ?? (they've done Moguls for everyone else)
Some BR vans?
Mk2Ds?
GW coaches?
Dynamis DCC

Heljan:
Gauge O 33

Farish:
??

Unfortunately can't see any prospect of AC EMUS RTR in the next 10 years. Desiros may be plentiful, but even the kit manufacturers can't be bothered . There is a remote possibility that somewhere down the line , maybe in 5 years time , Bachmann might do a 3rd rail Electrostar, if the 4-CEP sells well, and if a refurb 4-CEP sells well, and if they can reuse some of the Turbostar moulds

To sort out the electric locos, and MUs , Hornby need a good centre motor Bo-Bo chassis - which they don't presently have. The improved motor bogie for the Lima stuff says that they recognise there's an issue, but they are not prepared to tool up such a chassis yet

The Pendolino will probably be ok. I suspect drive will be based on a motor bogie , for reason mentioned above - maybe derived from what is being fitted to ex Lima. There won't be lights (no Bachmann DMU is DCC ready - probably because of the cost/complication of lights)

Hornby could produce a state of the art loco drive ex MR 0-6-0 (whether 2F, 3F , or new 4F) at some point but I suspect this isn't the year

HORNBY

DCC decoder fitted versions of existing models
More DCC accessories
Updated HST powercar based on the Lima model with new bogies/motor/DCC socket/underframe etc.
Ex-Lima class 87
An all-new diesel from one of the following: 37, 47, 56, 58, 66 or 40
Class 60 in sector liveries + a change of EWS model
Sealion and more lovely Seacows
More of their cruddy old wagons - Yuk!

BACHMANN

Dynamis system
4CEP
Class 66/9
More class 47 liveries
Mk 2 air-con coaches (wait the usual 18 months +)
Class 59 ???
A small diesel shunter ???
More DCC fitted locos
More SceneCraft buildings and accessories

QUOTE (pedromorgan @ 7 Nov 2006, 08:59) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I think we will get the Roco track (rubber roadbed) rebranded for hornby. the couplers went that way and i think the track will too.
Peter

Be very surprised regarding the ex-RocoLine. For a start the geometry is different to the UK offering (although it may be aimed at the europeans, if Hornby end up marketing it). As I understand it from the present Roco company the roadbed patent was held by one of the outgoing directors as is the "claw" type coupling.

"Rocoline" or whatever it's called would in any case be too expensive & too neat for the average UK modeller (unless into modern image). It is very, very good track though !

The "Roco" coupling being marketed by Hornby is in fact the older design/type from Roco.

best regards
Brian