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Having bought one of the royal 67's earlier this year, I planned to use it for my WHL sleeper service. On opening the box, I was a bit disapointed with the colours but hey, it was reasonably cheap and I needed one. 3 months later I am growing to hate the model to the point where I have now sold it. The reasons for selling are too numerous but even if I fitted proper lights, decoder and kadees, it would still be a horrible model. So looks like a Bachy 37 for the sleepers!

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QUOTE (principal skinner @ 7 Apr 2007, 17:37) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Having bought one of the royal 67's earlier this year, I planned to use it for my WHL sleeper service. On opening the box, I was a bit disapointed with the colours but hey, it was reasonably cheap and I needed one. 3 months later I am growing to hate the model to the point where I have now sold it. The reasons for selling are too numerous but even if I fitted proper lights, decoder and kadees, it would still be a horrible model. So looks like a Bachy 37 for the sleepers!

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PS

So, I have to ask, PS, what were your issues with it?

I have an old Lima one (fitted withg Express Models lighting) and am still contemplating the Hornby re-issue (on the "wants" list, but some way down).

Be good to know what your problems were.
 

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Mainly the colours but also the fact that even if I spent £50 on lights/ decoder etc, then it still looks wrong. I do not have the skill to paint well and as a lot of the "detail" is printed on, it won't be a quick fix. They aren't cheap either and for the same money, I could buy a Heljan 47, Bachmann 37,66 or 57 all of which are far superior models.

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Unfortunately, with Hornby having released this substandard re-hash, I doubt we'll see a decent model for at least the next 5+ years.
Maybe Heljan will have a go?
 

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QUOTE (principal skinner @ 11 Apr 2007, 23:07) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Mainly the colours but also the fact that even if I spent £50 on lights/ decoder etc, then it still looks wrong. I do not have the skill to paint well and as a lot of the "detail" is printed on, it won't be a quick fix. They aren't cheap either and for the same money, I could buy a Heljan 47, Bachmann 37,66 or 57 all of which are far superior models.

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I see. Agreed, other locos are higher "priority" if I can put it like that...

QUOTE (Oakydoke @ 12 Apr 2007, 01:56) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Unfortunately, with Hornby having released this substandard re-hash, I doubt we'll see a decent model for at least the next 5+ years.
Maybe Heljan will have a go?

That would be something good to see. I wish they or Bachmann would do a new HST while they're at it (there was a thread on that a while back, I realise).

Having said that - if the money permits and the whim takes me, I still would rather have something than nothing, I guess.
 

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Better something than nothing...

Put another way , if you're Hornby looking to invest money in new tooling , which looks the best proposition?

- HST (198 power cars, 1976-2007+, nationwide squadron service)
- 86 (100 locos 1966-2007+, Scotland, NW England, Midlands, SE England, E Anglia)
- 67 (30 locos , 1998-2007+, occasional use nationwide)
 

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Another one?

Falcon (one loco, intermitently during the 1960's, Mostly GW main line, 3 colour schemes)

Nobody would do one of those?
 

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QUOTE (Ravenser @ 12 Apr 2007, 17:43) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Better something than nothing...

Put another way , if you're Hornby looking to invest money in new tooling , which looks the best proposition?

- HST (198 power cars, 1976-2007+, nationwide squadron service)
- 86 (100 locos 1966-2007+, Scotland, NW England, Midlands, SE England, E Anglia)
- 67 (30 locos , 1998-2007+, occasional use nationwide)

Ah - please let it be a new HST from somebody....Even though I'm kind of curious about the project of detailing, chipping and re-motoring the Hornby/Lima HST, I'd far rather one of the majors did it (more or less) properly...I live in hope.

QUOTE (Oakydoke @ 13 Apr 2007, 01:46) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Another one?

Falcon (one loco, intermitently during the 1960's, Mostly GW main line, 3 colour schemes)

Nobody would do one of those?

I was really surprised by that - why have they made that decision?

Another - the Blue Pullman. Would that sell?

I'd have thought not, but, heck, what do I know...
 

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I'm sure somebody will do the class 67 justice one day.
In a few years time DCC, lighting, sound, operating doors, rotating roof fans and maybe even working windscreen wipers will be the norm for all model locos. Although I hope more durable and affordable ones will still be around too - that way everybody's happy!(?)
I do however have to agree very strongly with the HST comments. We have all waited long enough - too long in fact for this one.
The class 43 HST was again polled very high (1st last year) as a wanted model on the NRM mag news service site for the second year running. 198 Power cars and a whole host of liveries (8 Great Western variations alone!), a thirty year time span and seen nearly all over the country. It is without doubt the best train this country has ever had and not only that but a design classic and a world diesel speed record holder. If any modern british train deserved a good model it has to be this one.
The trouble is that these type of express trains are treated as train-set fodder for kids and at the moment that is all we have.
Sure I'd love to see detailed Power Cars but the coaches are just as important. The Mk3 coach design was a major step forward on the rail network and has many variations, not only in HST formations but also the loco-hauled versions aswell.
Does anyone know just how many different Mk3 coaches there are?

I don't think Hornby will ever get this train right and they never seemed interested either.
It will have to be another manufacturer who finally produces some worthy Power Cars and, just as importantly, makes the coaches correctly too, i.e, no buffers for the HST sets, correct colour seats and the aluminium window frames represented - not just painting the whole surrounding beading in silver. Hornby actually did represent aluminium window frames that were incororated into the flush glazing on their Calder Valley DMU and it was quite effective. It would have been nice if they had done this on their Mk3 coaches too.
The Blue Pullman? Bachmann have done the Mk1 Pullman's in reverse blue and grey - not an obvious choice for a model I would have thought and very limited in operational scope but nice none-the-less. Maybe a good case then for some properly detailed Mk3 coaches, HST Power Cars and a Blue Pullman - oh yes and a class 67.
And another thing, why hasn't anyone made the Yeoman JHAs yet?
 
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