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One of my first Train sets was the Hornby Intercity 225 Set. It has rarely been out of the box for lack of space so I'm hoping its still in good condition. As many will know, there are 2 Coaches with this set. I'm not sure if they're Mk2's or not. I'm thinking of having them resprayed in IE Intercity Orange/Black livery but I would like to know if anyone is familiar with these particular coaches and whether or not they can/should be resprayed into the new livery. I am planning on having Irish Locos/Rolling stock on my Layout. Any advice appreciated.
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QUOTE (TheOldMan @ 14 Feb 2009, 15:46) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>One of my first Train sets was the Hornby Intercity 225 Set. It has rarely been out of the box for lack of space so I'm hoping its still in good condition. As many will know, there are 2 Coaches with this set. I'm not sure if they're Mk2's or not. I'm thinking of having them resprayed in IE Intercity Orange/Black livery but I would like to know if anyone is familiar with these particular coaches and whether or not they can/should be resprayed into the new livery. I am planning on having Irish Locos/Rolling stock on my Layout. Any advice appreciated.
Do you really mean 225 or should it be 125?
Intercity 225 was contrived by BR as a follow up to the 125, but is given in km/h instead of the original mph.
Anyway, 225 uses a Class 91 electric loco and Mk4 coaches, whereas 125 (the HST diesel) uses Mk3 coaches.
Neither uses Mk2.
The IE coaches I suspect you are trying to model ought to be based on the Mk3 type.
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QUOTE (Gordon H @ 14 Feb 2009, 16:44) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Do you really mean 225 or should it be 125?
Intercity 225 was contrived by BR as a follow up to the 125, but is given in km/h instead of the original mph.
Anyway, 225 uses a Class 91 electric loco and Mk4 coaches, whereas 125 (the HST diesel) uses Mk3 coaches.
Neither uses Mk2.
The IE coaches I suspect you are trying to model ought to be based on the Mk3 type.

It may indeed be the 125 Gordon. I haven't seen the actual set in quite a long time. Information
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QUOTE (Gordon H @ 14 Feb 2009, 16:44) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Do you really mean 225 or should it be 125?
Intercity 225 was contrived by BR as a follow up to the 125, but is given in km/h instead of the original mph.
Anyway, 225 uses a Class 91 electric loco and Mk4 coaches, whereas 125 (the HST diesel) uses Mk3 coaches.
Neither uses Mk2.
The IE coaches I suspect you are trying to model ought to be based on the Mk3 type.

It is indeed be the 125 Gordon. I haven't seen the actual set in quite a long time. Information I have been able to find since first posting earlier (spent all afternoon looking) has confirmed your suspicions. Now all I need to do is to find me some Mk3 coaches.
One more question if you don't mind: Would it be possible to use the Mk4's with the Mk3's?
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On the real railway Mk 1V's and Mk111's are never mixed that I've seen but obviously on a model railway following real life railway practise is not cumpulsory
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QUOTE (bangerblueed @ 14 Feb 2009, 21:56) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>On the real railway Mk 1V's and Mk111's are never mixed that I've seen but obviously on a model railway following real life railway practise is not cumpulsory

Since they are to be resprayed would they still be noticeable as two seperate types of coach? And would it necessary to use one specific Company or are Mk3 Coaches identical between all companies?
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QUOTE (TheOldMan @ 14 Feb 2009, 22:43) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Since they are to be resprayed would they still be noticeable as two seperate types of coach? And would it necessary to use one specific Company or are Mk3 Coaches identical between all companies?

Mk4s are different to Mk3s in length, profile and window formation, to my knowledge no Mk4s have worked, in service, with Mk3 coaches, although in theory it might be possible, but even that would depend on which mk3s you were using.

BR built three versions of the Mk3 coach for use in Britain, the original Mk3 used in HSTs, and two later batches of Mk3a and Mk3b Loco-hauled coaches. British Mk3 coaches are all largely indentical. The HST Mk3 coaches are different to the loco-hauled coaches in three respects, visually. First is that HST Mk3 coaches do not have buffers, Loco hauled Mk3 coaches do. Second is that the Mk3a/b Loco-hauled coaches were fitted with 'drop-head' Buckeye couplers, rather than the standard Buckeye coupling of the HST Mk3s. The third difference is on the roof, HST Mk3s have a square(ish) air-con box at each end, Loco-hauled Mk3s have three smaller vents at each end. The HST roof is normally the one modelled.

Irish Mk3s were built after the British Mk3s and have electric 'plug' doors, square air-con units and buffers, a mix of Mk3, Mk3a/b and Mk4!!

Model-wise, any of Hornby's (with buffers), or Lima's, Mk3s are close to Irish Mk3s, although you may decide to try and change the standard doors to the 'plug' type found on Irish Mk3s.

Click here for Wikipedia page on Mk3s
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QUOTE (hairyhandedfool @ 16 Feb 2009, 09:13) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Model-wise, any of Hornby's (with buffers), or Lima's, Mk3s are close to Irish Mk3s, although you may decide to try and change the standard doors to the 'plug' type found on Irish Mk3s.

I don't think I have the hands for that kind of job lol. But I'm sure that there are companies over here who can do it. I'll look into that. Thanks for all the help on this. Now all I need to do is look for a fleet of MK3 coaches.
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