[Saint Johnstoun]

Many years ago I converted a tender drive Princess to the Turbomotive 46202. Does anybody know if the current Princess chassis will easily fit the old style body as I'd like to upgrade this model. I know the wheelbase is slightly out but as one doesn't see the splashers that won't matter.
I have a current type tender to replace the one with the tender drive.

 

[Saint Johnstoun]

Thanks folks - I may be able to get the thing to fit with a bit of carving.

My model was in final condition in BR lined black with smoke deflectors. I'll post a photo as soon as I can get my digital camera set-up.

I also did the proposed 4-6-4, 2-6-2 and 4-4-0s at around the same time, but that was nearly 20 years ago!

 

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View attachment 992 Here are the pics as promised - these were B&W taken years ago before 46258 got its nameplates.

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I managed to get a spare Princess chassis which will indeed fit the old body although the splashers are in the wrong place - it doesn't matter as they are hidden by the casings on 6202.

I have started on converting another body but this will now have to wait till the dark nights. I've also prepared a spare Coronation chassis by rewheeling this so that I can eventually do Princess Anne but as yet I have to locate a spare Princess body in BR green to carve up.

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[Saint Johnstoun]

The splashers aren't an issue with Turbomotive, but would cause a problem with the other locos.

The original 1984 Princess body was based on the first type of boilers fitted without combustion chamber, but the retooled version introduced in 2001 featured the later boiler with combustion chamber. My original Turbomotive is actually incorrect in that respect but I am working on a later body which will correct that when it is complete. I will then return the original body to its tender drive chassis and possibly dispose of the lot. The original tender I used was in fact a Mainline one altered to fit the Hornby Tender Drive chassis. 2002 had a riveted tender body.

Its easy enough to pick up spare Hornby tender bodies and chassis of the 4000 gallon variety so my original Turbomotive body was mated to a new loco drive chassis and a new tender which just happened to be in the correct lined black livery.

 

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Its more complicated than that as 6202 was built with a domeless boiler and then received one with a dome later. In fact the boiler story of the Princesses is not straightforward so one needs to refer to the appropriate books etc. to find what condition a loco was in at a certain time.

All the Hornby Princess Elizabeths are incorrect as they have the later valve gear and slide bar arrangements. I am looking at modifying Hornby King slide bars etc. and fitting to create a more accurate model of Princess Elizabeth.

 

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1984 bodyshell will only cover 6200 and 6201 in original condition. However, these boilers were rotated in the pool from 1952-5 and were also fitted with domes so one has to look at the records to see which boilers were fitted to which engines after that date.

The splashers on Turbomotive are hidden, so the difference in wheelbase in the original and later correct chassis does not come into the equation. If you were fitting the earlier body to a conventional chassis the front splasher would need to be relocated about 2mm further forward.

 

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46204, 46208, 46210 46211 and 46212 all carried the earlier boilers at some time in the 1950s but domes had been fitted by this time.

 

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The difference in wheelbase between the tender drive and loco drive versions of the Hornby Princess is between the leading and centre driving wheels. My model is of the locomotive in later condition when an additional oil pump was added and the casing on the right hand side was extended further back hiding the front splasher hence the lack of a problem in using the early body. If you wished to use the original body to model the loco as built you would need to move the front right hand side splasher forward.

 

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Foiled again! I acquired a Hornby Queen Maud with the intention of using the body to build Princess Anne but it is too good to break so I am back to square one. Anybody out there know where I might get a China built Princess body in green?

 

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Sorted - I now have the bits to create Princess Anne so watch this space for the finished article.

 

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Here are the preliminary works required to create Princess Anne.

The chassis is a Hornby Coronation fitted with Princess driving wheels and a Princess trailing truck. The tended is a spare from a Royal Scot class. The body is about to receive the attention of a fine razor saw to rearrange the running board and splashers as per the drawing above.

 

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Having started the above conversion I have now decided to fabricate new running boards forward of the rear splasher which will make it easier to assemble the whole thing.

Now here's one for you. I have a black 46201 which I am about to line out to represent the mixed traffic lined black which some of the class ran in but one query is open to discussion and that applies to the boiler bands. Which ones were lined?

 

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Update on Princess Anne. Have acquired a Duchess body which will donate the front part of the running plate for 46202.

 

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Working away on the footplate recovered from a gash Coronation body to mate it up to the rest of the body for Princess Anne. A fiddly job but it will be worth it in the end.

Also fitted earlier short firebox body to spare China S/d Princess chassis. Front splashers need tweaking but I think I have sussed out how to do this in due course. The body will also need cab glazing and some piping, including injectors adding.

 

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Got some Hornby King slide bars from East Kent Models and am currently modifying a set of Princess motion to fit to 6200. Will post pics when I have done it.

I'm also going to do 46205 and I have marked out a set of motion brackets to suit which will need to be cut and filed out, then fitted to a suitable loco which will need to be renamed and renumbered.

Princess Anne is taking longer than anticipated but I want to get it right.

 

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Here is my recreation of 6200 so far.

The tender isn't quite right, and I still have a little work to do around the expansion links and the front splashers as it is an earlier Hornby TD body married to the latest CB chassis. Still the rabbit ear slide bars modified from Hornby King ones seem to do the trick?

 

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You want Hornby part number X9110 from East Kent Models. You need to remove the surplus material designed to mount the King cylinders so that all you are left with is the slide bars themselves. Filing will allow these to fit into the existing holes in the cylinders.

The existing motion brackets need to be cut off just below the expansion links. You will find that you need to fix the slide bars into position with superglue for a rigid job.

 

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46202 is sidelined at present due to being busy at work over the weekend. Hope to get back to it soon.

 

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At last View attachment 2280

A few minor adjustments to deal with