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A rivarossi Br 58 of the DB era 3.



Says in stores 1st Q. Also AC version available.

I am looking forward to it.

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Looks great.

HR 2017 (prototype model). German Steam loco with tender. DB series 58. Metal boiler and tender. Inner cylinder movement.

This is what it looked like at Nürnberg at the beginning of last year:
 

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Now that certainly looks the part, but it is interesting to see the prototype as well.

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As far as I recall no other manufacturer apart from ROCO ever produced the Br58 in HO.

The Roco Br 58 when launched was highly claimed for due to its quality and perfectness, and even some say that is still unsurpassed. So, at the end of the day it will be compared with Roco Br58 by the likes of us here but in Germany mostly.

Now we have to give credit to Hornby in selecting this model. They are launching such a model that even Maerkliners are waiting for it. ( Maerklin also doesn't have a HO Br 58, only in Z scale). I hope qualitywise they have double checked everything before launch.

Believe it will be the flash model of the Hornby stand in Nurnberg this year.

Price of 245 usd , DCC ready are now on the web shops.

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We´ll have to see how this model turns out - there may be some metal fetishists in Germany, but their drug is usually spelled "Märklin" only. I hope Hornby gets its quality right; low quality is a rather big issue in the German forums right now, with Roco, Märklin and Trix being accused of shifting production to Eastern Europe and China along with eliminating quality control. 245 USD equals like 200 Euro, or 400 German Marks. The Roco engines were sold for around 90 Euro last time I saw them (Badonian version). That might give Hornby a tough time. Let´s just hkeep our fingers crossed that the class 58 will be a success for Hornby.

If it is good, I hope that Hornby releases an early Prussian or Saxonian (or Badonia, Wurttembergian) version, with all the correct changes. I´d buy one of those Ep I engines, thank you Hornby!


EDIT: However, please also keep in mind that this engine has to compete with the likes of Fleischmann´s classes 95 and 56, pricewise, and Brawa´s 56 quality-wise (albeit that one is a lot more expensive, it looks rather close in its appearance). Gützold will realease a reconstructed East German class 58 as well, and from my experience, Gützold engines are really good.
 

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QUOTE (ME 26-06 @ 24 Jan 2008, 10:07) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>If it is good, I hope that Hornby releases an early Prussian or Saxonian (or Badonia, Wurttembergian) version, with all the correct changes. I´d buy one of those Ep I engines, thank you Hornby!


EDIT: However, please also keep in mind that this engine has to compete with the likes of Fleischmann´s classes 95 and 56, pricewise, and Brawa´s 56 quality-wise (albeit that one is a lot more expensive, it looks rather close in its appearance). Gützold will realease a reconstructed East German class 58 as well, and from my experience, Gützold engines are really good.
I'll be waiting to see if a K.Pev one appears too. I would want hear reviews first before paying as well.
 

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First impressions of the Rivarossi Br 58 is comming out from the German forums. One chap describes his first encounter:

( I had it translated from Altavista Babel fish, so it might sound funnyish but at least you get the main idea.
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Today completely unplanned the new Rivarossi-58 to my existence to transfer had, only as much, forceful love at first sight. : -)
Now which to the locomotive:
After a few rounds for bringing in the locomotive equipped with functional interior engine runs silk-softly and without jerking. Silk matt and equipped with free standing lines shows the locomotive paints its model well. The axles have the correct diameter, me disturb something the not painted wheel tires, but which target. It is lit with white LEDs (which is all the same to me, street lights eh exchanged), at the tender while driving forward also amusing-proves red. Something disturbing works for me the too large locomotive tender distance, in addition, that is to be changed, since the locomotive is very logically designed. On the whole a really beautiful model, which are lack only after my taste, perhaps exaggerated, but me does not disturb it one it to change really there can. Pictures have I unfortunately none for you, but I hope someone supply still?!?
Beautiful evening wish I.


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So they are complaining about the loco tender gap and a lack of directional lighting.

Well, we've heard about the gap problem, Hornby locos are designed for tight radius curves. Lights on a steam loco are new and to expect directional buffer lamps is quite a lot.
 

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More on specs.

again babelfish:

Silk-soft run by 5-pin engine with rotor 21-polige interface opulente abundance at boiler fittings of free standing lines and beginning parts drive in the locomotive and all axles propelled reproduction of the interior cylinder with bent axle material metal: Chassis, wheels, boilers and structure of tender from pressure pouring detailed tender chassis kurzkupplung between locomotive and tender locomotive with digital interface easy to service contact connection locomotive with stirnlampen - maintenance-free LEDS darkness nickel plated surface metal chassis properly matching detention tires magnifying glass-pure inscription all details installed, Zuruestteile lie with safe packing, optimal protection of the model 5-pin engine with high torque drive with rotor

21 pin!?

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QUOTE (Doug @ 25 Jan 2008, 22:03) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>So they are complaining about the loco tender gap and a lack of directional lighting.

Quite rightly so, especially with brand new tooling, there is absolutely no excuse at all, sorry Doug, I don't buy the "Hornby locos are designed for tight radius curves" either. This is not a "Hornby" loco as the UK knows it - it is Hornby International AKA Rivarossi.

All the european locmotives I have with close coupling between the locomotive & tender will run quite happily on R1 curves.

Ship spoilt by a haporth of tar.
 

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QUOTE (dbclass50 @ 25 Jan 2008, 22:39) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Quite rightly so, especially with brand new tooling, there is absolutely no excuse at all, sorry Doug, I don't buy the "Hornby locos are designed for tight radius curves" either. This is not a "Hornby" loco as the UK knows it - it is Hornby International AKA Rivarossi.

All the european locmotives I have with close coupling between the locomotive & tender will run quite happily on R1 curves.

Ship spoilt by a haporth of tar.

Brian, if I have understood correctly from the translation, the Loco is articulated !

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QUOTE (Doug @ 25 Jan 2008, 23:03) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>So they are complaining about the loco tender gap and a lack of directional lighting.

Well, we've heard about the gap problem, Hornby locos are designed for tight radius curves. Lights on a steam loco are new and to expect directional buffer lamps is quite a lot.

Doug,

continental steam engines usually have a close coupling cinematic between engine and tender to allow it to negotiate tight curves. Lights on steam locos are not at all new on continental engines (maybe because the prototypes were all equipped with headlights, unlike afaik UK outline steam engines), and directional lighting is nothing special over here on steam engines. The latest fad are DCC controlled, seperately controlled front and rear lights in white/red/no light. Hope they didn´t use yellow LEDs.

Nonetheless, it appears to be a neat model. The prominent gap may make it a no-go for me, but I´d want to see the model in person first. Maybe it´s not so bad after all.

EDIT: Baykal, 5-pole motor, 21 pin DCC interface. Makes the directional light issue even less understandable, should it turn out to be true. btw, could it be that the class 58 has a special place in any Turkish railroad enthusiast´s heart...?
 

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QUOTE (ME 26-06 @ 25 Jan 2008, 23:59) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>EDIT: Baykal, 5-pole motor, 21 pin DCC interface. Makes the directional light issue even less understandable, should it turn out to be true. btw, could it be that the class 58 has a special place in any Turkish railroad enthusiast´s heart...?


Hey Tom,

Now you've got me on my weakest spot. I was on a quest recently to find any info of the forefather of the Br 58, namely the mysterious 56900 series of loco's of the TCDD. Not a single photo existed. Check :

http://www.trainsofturkey.com/w/pmwiki.php/Steam/56901

I was so frustrated that I openly asked it on Drehscheibe Online:

http://drehscheibe-online.ist-im-web.de/fo....php?17,3637069

Now I have all the pictures and info, thanks to the gents who replied to my quest wholeheartedly.

Since the pictures are copyrighted if you wish I can PM them to you, and to anybody else for that matter.

Take care

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QUOTE (Doug @ 26 Jan 2008, 09:03) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>So they are complaining about the loco tender gap and a lack of directional lighting.

Well, we've heard about the gap problem, Hornby locos are designed for tight radius curves. Lights on a steam loco are new and to expect directional buffer lamps is quite a lot.
While this is all new to UK outline these features are standard on European outline and have been for many years. Maerklin, who most would agree are the main "trains set guys" of German model rail have almost all of their locos with close coupling and directional lighting and these will all negotiate very tight curves. In fact my Trix stuff will tend to get round tighter curves than recent Hornby stuff and that's with close coupling.
 

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From the pictures I´ve seen so far, I can´t make out the lamented "huge gap" between loco and tender. Seems to me that some of the depicted engines might be missing a few add-on parts on the driver´s cabin, which makes the gap appear wider than it really is.

Directional lighting, hmmm. If the Chinese engineers are worth their bowl of rice (which I am sure they are), then this feature will be added when a DCC decoder is installed - if it really is missing.

A slight turn-off for me are the shiny silver wheel rims. A little burnishing wouldn´t have been that expensive... If I actually choose to buy the Hornby 58 (chances are I will, as it will complement my Fleischmann class 95), then it will be the only engine with "old-fashioned" wheels save for my BBÖ class 310, where the effect was intended.
 

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You guys are misinterpreting my post


I'm just saying that the complaints that we all know about on UK stock are now being made about this model... You wonder where the engineers get their ideas from. I'm not making excuses or defending anyone.

Looks like an interesting model. I wonder if some of the building technology might filter down to UK models? What price is it?
 

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It looks like an interesting model to me. I'm still amazed that Hornby arn't marketing their international range in the UK. Anyone know why?

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QUOTE (Doug @ 26 Jan 2008, 14:36) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Looks like an interesting model. I wonder if some of the building technology might filter down to UK models? What price is it?

The price in the USA abt 245 usd analog, 285 usd AC model

e-bay : abt 200 euro.

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