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Hello everyone, i am in need of some help please.

i have had for a couple of years a collection of hornby, tri-ang and jouef trains, and because times are hard at the minute i had a idea if i could get them valued. i have looked through the internet but im lost....
i think they are 00 scale for instance i have a 'princess elizabeth' and 'princess victoria' which are around 11 inches long with tender, now these confuse me to start because on various webpages these trains are green where mine are black?
also i have two TGV sncf models (one of which is missing its back wheels) and a flying scotsman which looks really old..

do any of you good people know where i could get them looked at, or a website that lists train values please.

thanks you.

Garry
 

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I've never tried to dispose of stuff myself but from my recollection of topics on this subject in the Forum in the past, there are two routes to disposal via the Internet:

1) Use eBay. This is the most popular and probably the only viable route for "run of the mill" stuff. For an idea of what something is worth, find something similar and see what it finally goes for. You could expect to get something similar especially if there was a disappointed loser.

2) Use Vectis. They are a specialist auction house and I suspect, but don't know for sure, only deal in genuine collectables and probably in mint condition.

If you are desperate, there are always ads in the modelling press of dealers looking to buy up collections, but I suspect the amounts offered are very low as the dealer probably expects most of the stuff to be stuck on his shelves for a while.

Orderly disposal - one item at a time - on somewhere like eBay is probably the best bet.

Anyone else, any other advice to offer?

David

and I've changed the topic title to see if that gets any more interest.
 

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Tri-ang Railways OO Gauge

46201 "Princess Elizabeth" in Black. R.50. Now there are quite a few "versions" of this loco. Made 1950-Circa 1959.
46205 "Princess Victoria" in black. R.50 (Superseded "Princess Elizabeth" as the "cheaper" black princess.) Made Circa 1959 to 1962.

If in excellent condition, then they may raise £20-£30 each. (Remember, something is only worth what someone will pay for it!)

"Ramsey's British Model Trains" "Catalogue" ( a pretty comprehensive British listing.) is a book that attempts valuation, (BUT is mainly for "excellent Unboxed and Mint Boxed) try your Library for a copy? (Or a bookshop, there are several editions. Edition 6 is the current one...)
 

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Other ways to dispose of it are:

Contact your local model railway club, many do buy stuff and either sell it on to members or put it on sale to visitors to their shows.

Take them to a swapmeet and offer them to the secondhand traders, you will get less than putting it on ebay but at least they're out of your way.

Contact the Train Collectors Society http://www.traincollectors.org.uk/ and see if they can help or can put you in touch with someone who could. They are the experts on old trains of all sorts.

On what you're likely to get for them remember boxed examples fetch better money than unboxed items, and the condition of the box can add more than you might think to the price. Likewise if you have all the original instruction books, dealer lists, the bottle of oil, tested label, smoke pin retaining cap, and anything else that came in the loco box.

Whilst the Princess locos look good, they may not be the items to fetch the best money. Some of the rarer locos, such as the 0-4-0 Steeple Cab, the AL1/Class 81, EM2/Class77, Wild West 2-6-0 Davey Crockett, Blue Pullman, etc go for more than the Princesses, sometimes much more. But it all depends on condition and rarity. Equally if any of the items came in sets and you still have all the items from the set, including the box, etc, that can also add to the price. Coimplete sets in original good condition packaging are rare as the box rarely survives.

Be realistic in your expectations, Triang and Triang Hornby items are pefectly happy on Standard, Series 3 and Super 4 track but won't run on modern track and that goes for Code 100 track. The wheel flanges are too deep and wide, so they bump along the sleepers and get stuck in point frogs and check rails. Hence they are really only of interest to collectors.

Good Luck, you may have some worthwhile items, but don't expect the pot of gold at the foot of the rainbow.
 

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Thanks for the replys everyone, i think ill go for ebay...

is there anyway of telling the age of the trains by the numbers maybe?

for instance, the 'scotsman' looks like it is very old but cant confirm for a accurate description.

Garry
 

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QUOTE (garth84x @ 4 Apr 2009, 11:14) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Thanks for the replys everyone, i think ill go for ebay...

is there anyway of telling the age of the trains by the numbers maybe?

for instance, the 'scotsman' looks like it is very old but cant confirm for a accurate description.

Garry
Triang very rarely changed the running number on a loco. They only really started doing that in 1970 when they brought out the first of their pre-nationalisation liveried versions.

A good clue to the age of Triang model is in the coupling type. Models with metal couplings the same as the present day tension lock means they cannot be older than 1959 which is when Triang changed over from the earlier design. If the coupling looks vaguely similar to a tension lock but one end of the loop is open then that's the previous Mk2 coupling which means the model is 1959 or earlier.

For many of their locos, Triang modified the chassis to take the Seuthe smoke unit which I think they introduced in about 1961 or 62. This sometimes meant that the loco body was no longer fixed to the chassis via a screw through the chimney, and of course the chinmey will be hollow to allow the smoke to escape.

You can also date them according to whether the manufacturer is Triang = up to 1964, or Triang Hornby 1965-1971, or Hornby 1971 to today. The manufacturer is normally moulded on the underside of the footplate along with the model number. However don't depend on the moulded model number as Triang used to use the same body for different models when the only difference was a change in livery. In the case of the Princesses, R50 was the first Princess Elizabeth. She then became R53 when she was in green livery, whilst R50 became Princess Victoria and remained in black, and R258 when in Maroon as Princess Royal. So you may find the moulded model number as R50/53.

If you have a Flying Scotsman it won't be older than 1968 if it's a Triang Hornby/Hornby one. The previous (5th) edition of Ramsay has them from £18 to £45. However, Trix also made a Scotsman from 1968-87. These tend to be worth approx twice as much as the Triang ones simply because they are rarer. A Trix one should have a Hornby Dublo/Peco style coupling, but by then Trix were making most of their models so that you could replace that with a Triang tension lock. So the presence of a tension lock does not necessarily prove it is a Triang model, but the presence of an HD/Peco one is a pretty good indication that it is probably a Trix model, as it was much harder to fit the HD/Peco style coupling to a Triang model. By 1968 Trix was very much the smaller company despite being the first into the OO/HO market in the mid 1930s.

Hope this helps.

Keith.
 

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You could try posting photos on here.

If you don't know how, just ask. Someone will no doubt help.

In the meantime, these photos may help with dating?

Some examples of the Early Black Princess Elizabeth. (1953 edition. No front coupling. "Short" Type 1A tender.)


1955 edition. (Front coupling.( MKIIb) Type 2A tender.)




The Black Princess Victoria. 1960 edition (Front coupling with cast steps and MKIII coupling. Type 2C tender. Screw down the chimney.)




The 1961 and 1962 Princess Victoria models have a screw in the front footplating, in front of the smokebox.
 
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