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With Prince Charles having a bit of a downer on McDonalds and lots of talk of carbon emissions right now its time for Model Rail Forum to have its own debate on green and healthy issues.

Is railway modelling a green pastime?

Is is healthy for you?

On the green side it has to be said that from a recycling point of view it is probably one of the top pastimes. You can model a whole layout from the contents of the refuse sac. And old models last forever and are constantly recycled on eBay and elsewhere. On the other hand the amount of metal and plastic and packaging utilised in ready to run new model production probably has the effect of making it ungreen overall if you only buy new models.

On the healthy side you do have to stretch and twist and cut and lift and run up and down stairs if you have a loft layout and it does take your mind off food and other digestive perils so it clearly it is better to be a railway modeller than not if you are seeking a healthy lifestyle. On the other hand it is all too easy to slump in your chair and watch your trains pass by if there is no ongoing project and your doctor might be alarmed at this practice.

As it is clearly in the interests of any hobby to promote its greeness and health giving properties could any of you provide examples of what you have done that you consider either to be a green or healthy practice.

Having to rush over to the end of a layout every 30 seconds to sort out Hornby Pullman coaches that keep derailing might be an example of excercise as you need to be nimble. And using the polystyrene packaging of your latest electrical goods to create an embankment would be an example of being green.

Really what we are looking for are the best examples of being green and burning calories that you can provide.

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How about lugging an exhibition layout around a leisure complex, of course you have to load it up, drive to the exhibition, unload it, assemble it, charge round it like a blue a
d fly for two days, dismantle it, load it(again), drive home, unload it(again), and finally, in my case bury yourself in a couple of relaxing pints. Having walked to the pub of course!

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QUOTE (neil_s_wood @ 28 Feb 2007, 21:38) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Heres some proof

I like it! I once plundered some big chunks of polystyrene from the roadside which someone had dumped there - so I figure I've done a bit for the environment...And I do the same kind of recycling (hoarding of old rubbish), too...

More seriously, I am switching to acrylics for weathering, as I think they are not only safer but more pleasant to work with (and the brushes are easier to clean). As a child I don't know how many hours I spent inhaling Humbrol authenticolours.
 

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I most certainly think that railway modelling is green and healthy.

Why green? Many materials get recycled nowadays and I am sure that the model train manufacturers and manufacturers of model train accessories must use recycled materials. Locomotives and rolling stock are made from plastic and metal that are recycleable materials. Packaging materials are made from polystyrene and paper/cardboard which are recycleable materials. In fact on the inside of some of the packaging boxes from the European model train and accessory manufacturers you will find the international recycling emblem. If you do not keep the packaging of your model trains you can send the boxes back for recycling and use the polystyrene for scenery building.

When we construct the layout benchwork we will most probably use wood and plywood obtained from a timber yard that recycles these materials. As already mentioned a lot of household waste can also be recycled for use on your layout.

Why healthy? When you start with the construction of your layout it involves a lot of physical work to get up the benchwork and laying the tracks. Before you can start with the scenery you will have to go out into nature and have a look at the best prototype there is. You will take photos and videos of nature scenes, buildings and structures. You will go back to the layout and start with the scenery. Good healthy excercise.

Most of us modellers also like the real thing - the prototype. So whenever the opportunity presents itself for a photoshoot of the prototype we will be there. I think we all know how much moving around this can entail. Good healthy excercise.

When your layout is finished (does it ever get finished?) or even when the layout is still under construction you can retreat into your layout room and relax after a hard day's work. You can run your trains, assemble a kit, watch a train video or just relax and forget about the problems around you. Good and healthy therapy for body and soul.

I read an article some time ago about an American doctor who treated one of his patients for a certain condition (I can not remember the details of the condition). After trying several of the clinically correct treatments without real success, he suggested that the patient should get involved in model railways. The patient did get involved and today leads a normal healthy life. The doctor ascribed his patient's recovery directly to his involvement in model railways.

MODEL TRIANS FOR LIFE!

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The last post reminds me that Dapol use recycled plastic for their kits. Don't know about their ready to run models and I may be right or wrong on this but Dapol have won a green award I believe from some organisation or other.

I wonder if Airfix use recycled plastic?

I have a feeling that recycled plastic is too soft for ready to run models however no doubt there is somebody somewhere in the world working on technology and chemistry to harden up recycled plastic.

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Given that most models are now manufactured in China, and knowing China's attitude to emissions, labour laws etc, and having to ship the stuff from one side of the world to the other, I doubt that railway modelling is green and healthy to anyone, except the end user.
 

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QUOTE (PhilH @ 1 Mar 2007, 11:31) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Given that most models are now manufactured in China, and knowing China's attitude to emissions, labour laws etc, and having to ship the stuff from one side of the world to the other, I doubt that railway modelling is green and healthy to anyone, except the end user.

I was wondering when someone would bring that subject up !

Some time ago, on another forum there was concern voiced about the adhesives & solders (to name just two) used - I know EU law says that goods sold in the EU have to comply with this & that but.......................

At the end of the day though Railway Modelling is overall greener than some other pastimes & interests.
 

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QUOTE Having to rush over to the end of a layout every 30 seconds to sort out Hornby Pullman coaches that keep derailing

If you contact Hornby, they will send you the bits needed to rectify this problem foc. I think that they have realised there is a problem with the older 'new' Pullmans. They sent me the new bogies (with wheels), coupling cams, in fact everything needed to do the job for the 7 of these things which I possess. Its a simple job, and has completely transformed the running of the Pullmans.
 

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QUOTE (Paxman @ 1 Mar 2007, 08:16) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>More seriously, I am switching to acrylics for weathering, as I think they are not only safer but more pleasant to work with (and the brushes are easier to clean). As a child I don't know how many hours I spent inhaling Humbrol authenticolours.

I'll go with that, much easier to use and far more environmentally friendly.

As an aside I will use any old junk to build scenery, I also recycle buidings from other dead projects.

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fairly new to his forum the other i use having problems do try this for a while

How green ?

Couple of years ago purchased a in line electrity meter to measue consumption of electricail equipment in the view of cutting electly costs

Quite amazed as the the finding certain items consume even if switched off so called ecomocial setting not that good

As to layout consumes quite a bit by the time you plugged in all the transformers lights etc easily reach 500watts tmes that by the hours spent it soon adds up

mind you some computers with printer, scanner etc get up to about 350 watts

The real users are the numerous "red light" power transformer powering all kinds of telephones routers 24 hours 365 days a year

Digial telly is another culpit
 

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I have to admit, Channel 4's programme the other week, concerning the great global warming con-trick certainly opened my eyes to reality, confirming some of my deeply-held, but closely-guarded suspicions over those issues which currently have such an adverse effect over our daily lives.

I now relise how very much we all have the wool pulled over our eyes by those who use moral blackmail to achieve political aims.

Aims, which, 40 years ago would almost have seemed treasonous?

For example, the 'destruction of capitalism?'

and which are now very much in the vogue, under the guise of 'saving the planet?'

The real truth has been shouted from the rooftops by the most eminent of our scientists for years...yet the truth doesn't fit the political Will, so wise folk stay quiet for fear of losing funding?

the real truth is, the climate is changing as a matter of natural course.....and that includes the diminishing of the arctic icepacks?
it's all cyclical....and really has very little to do with the efforts of mankind.

which is doubtless why the US was reluctant to have anything to do with Kyoto?

and as for Bush's current efforts?

they actually smack of those self-same political games played by Mrs Thatcher in the 80's?

Games which started this whole eco fad thing in the first place?

being made aware, suddenly so much of the history in my life fits together?

sure, save electricity....because in truth, most of us find it too expensive?.....For our incomes, anyway?

Ask any state pensioner?

still, solar cells for loft layouts?

come on Hornby, a Solar-powered A4?
 

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Whatever the pro's & con's of the reasons behind global warming, most people do not really care about how it effects their own use of energy - it's always someone else who is causing the problem.

The mother taking her children 500yds to school in her car does not think it's her - she thinks it's the guys in the Transit going to the building site.
The guys in the Transit going to the building site don't not think it's them either - they think it's the guy in the Beemer going to the office. He in turn thinks it's all the office lights left on at night & so on.

All this talk of must change the lightbulbs, drive less, turn off you PC & so on just won't work - because people are p
off being told what to do by the authorities. What will work is to educate people that to do this, do that will save them money.
 

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QUOTE I have to admit, Channel 4's programme the other week, concerning the great global warming con-trick certainly opened my eyes to reality, confirming some of my deeply-held, but closely-guarded suspicions over those issues which currently have such an adverse effect over our daily lives.

I now relise how very much we all have the wool pulled over our eyes by those who use moral blackmail to achieve political aims.

I watched that programme too the other night as my host insisted that I watch the recording of it that was made.

Interesting wasn't it.

Basically there is a realisation that this topic does not actually matter and by far the greatest influence on the changing temperatures of the earth since records began is the sun! Logic that seems to have been entirely overlooked by those involved in the con-trick.

How can it be explained by the eco lot that the earth was actually a lot warmer in medieval times with vineyards all over the north of England and beyond. And that average global temperatures fell during a period of heavy global industrialisation. It can be explained by how active the sun is and there are clear corrolations.

As has already been mentioned the reason for going "green" and turn things off is to keep your energy bills down. There is no other reason.

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QUOTE (Gary @ 17 Mar 2007, 10:50) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>As has already been mentioned the reason for going "green" and turn things off is to keep your energy bills down. There is no other reason.

Sorry Gary but that really does drive me crazy. regardless of weather it effects global warming or not wouldnt the world be so much nicer if the cities didnt have cars and busses belching soot and smoke in your face. woudnt it be nicer if we had gracefull clean turbines greating our electricity instead of coar fired powerstations.

Weather or not global warming is real or not, why cant we give the environmentalists the benifit of the doubt and use this opertunity to improve the quality of life for the countless generations that will follow us.

People are actually compalining about having to use CFL's insttead of incandescent lightbulbs. modern CFL's get up to brightness in about 4 seconds, they are brighter last longer and are cheaper to run.

sorry i realise this was off subject. but its something that really gets my heart racing.

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QUOTE Weather or not global warming is real or not, why cant we give the environmentalists the benifit of the doubt and use this opertunity to improve the quality of life for the countless generations that will follow us.

No-one is disputing the fact that the world's weather patterns are changing.

But what is now questioned, is MANKIND'S actual contribution?

Giving environmentalists the 'benefit of the doubt'...whilst an admirable sentiment given our general ignorance of the topic.....was shown to be somewhat mislplaced, as there is evidently a 'bigger picture' involved.

Thus , to follow your suggestion.....imagine in the 60's and 70's, giving ourselves wholeheartedly over to the very real idea that Capitalism is actually flawed, does not work, and only socialism and communism provided the real answers?

Imagine if, with media support, such an idea really took hold in this country around those times?

What price our own reactions then?

yet....that is EXACTLY the sort of idea being promulgated wholeheartedly via the environmentalist lobby today....but no-one seems to see the reality?

But, go to a third world nation, where their own simple ambition is to provide electricity to their poverty-stricken population...and hear THEIR tales of woe, about so-callled 'environmentally-concerned' first world nations telling these folk, they CAN have power, but it has to be of the 'wind-turbine' variety, or not at all?
Then see the truth about how costly this approach is, in order to deliver their needs?

Or even, totally impractical in the situation?

and how frustrated these people have become at being denied the right to use THEIR OWN RESOURCES like coal, etc, to solve THEIR problems?

When the real scientific evidence shewed that even during the height of our coal- fired generation days, mankind's contribution to CO2 emmissions, etc was negligible to nature's own?

In my view, supporting the Environmental lobby in cleaning up the results of our own selfish materialistic nightmare is admirable....but we need to be aware that in doing so, we are also supporting those who have hijacked the whole environmentalist lobby for their own,'personal' and political gain, to the detriment of other less fortunate folk.
 

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The real dilemna here is that if the 'no we dont have global warming' lobby is correct, then all well and good. If the 'yes we do' -ers are correct, by the time we have absolute proof it will probably be too late to do anything about it.
 
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